Malibu Entry #12

Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:30 am

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I Deleted this Journal.
NO, not because the comment section was hijacked by meaningless controversy; I swear... not. Call it a "SideKick" mishap. (That's a personal device - T-Mobil) Anyway, today, 2 days later than when this post was originally made, we were walking around the Promenade in Santa Monica. The girls were shopping and I hate to shop, (though I bought 3 western shirts from Old Navy for $5 each yesterday) so... I was kinda bored.
I was just going to add a bit to journal #13, I wrote some more... hit submit found out I wasn't logged in, copied the text, went back to Trolleywood, logged in, scrolled down, hit edit and prompty pasted in the entire contents of edit #13 into the entry right below #13, which was Malibu Entry #12. I tried to go back (undo, return, back space, etc.) on my SideKick and find the old text, but... alas, it was too late. It's caused my brain a considerable amount of grief. I'm really bummed. I'll toss the images back up... that's about it. Thanks and sorry. boyd

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No secrets on this song... it's all over the internet, thanks to my keen sense of video crapturing... u know, Eisley's live show clips. But start thinking of this pic, when you think of this song from now on.



















I'll do my best to add back in some filler copy - or whatever I can remember about this post. Does anyone have a copy of my blatherings?

The controversial comment section all stemmed from the fact that i mentioned, in passing, that, among many instruments, a Balinesian Gamelan was used. I should add, now... in one song, modestly; possible that none of you would even know where or what it was. But I make no excuses for the band or the producer of this unfolding record. It's the best thing Eisley has ever done. The critical comment that first emerged took everyone by surprise and resulted in 75 little arguments. Well, that's the dynamic of journals... forums; So, I say, NO matter. I'll try to reconstruct something about my journal. Thanks guys. boyd

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nevernever

good intentions, bad execution.

people in general don't respond well to negative comments, even if all you're doing is trying to be helpful.

and while this -is- an open discussion, you must also keep in mind that you owe respect to all people involved, especially the band and boyd, who are providing us with such insight into their production -- and in doing so, have respect (or at least, pretend to) for the people they have chosen to help them create their album.

the bottom line is, even though you wanted to do good, the way you went about it did none, and also closed the door on doing any at all.

posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:29 pm

Saellys

Go, Weston, go!

Seriously, do not be afraid, I'm all for speaking one's mind but that was beyond tactless. Go off on a band on their own website because you don't like a frigging instrument? Get over yourself.

posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:36 pm

negatiivethree

I am going to chill out and calm down cause this 'afraid' fellow is just trying to get some attention. He got enough. But sir, SIR! The attack on the moog was a step too far.

posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:43 pm

Kimbrtones

Well...the family's all here...(almost).
Guys...I don't know what the motivation is behind Do not be afraid's comments.
Truth is...it doesn't really matter what he's saying or what he thinks he knows, or he feels about Richard.
Why? Because I'm sitting here listening to stuff that's been recorded over this past month, under Richard's humble direction, and I have to say....my head is swirling.
Everything I've heard sounds magical.

The personal attacks on Richard, we've all sat here in this studio scratching our heads going, "what's the deal with this?"
Honestly, the band was pretty peeved about the comments, but they, (except for Weston), have chosen not to comment.

Maybe D.N.B.A. should take the personal stuff to a "pm" to Richard.
Just a suggestion.
Anyway...I don't think anyone is going to be disappointed.

posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:55 pm

do not be afraid.

if you knew me, and you heard me say that "in real life", in the voice i had in my head when i wrote it, you wouldn't have been offended. nobody would have. it's really more a case of things being "lost in translation" than anything. as i said, i never intended it to be taken the way it was, but i understand why it was.

this sort of thing happens in every social situation i find myself in, both "online" and in "real life", and it generally either dooms the entire thing, or we get passed it, people get to know me, and understand me, and usually like me. i've actually had friends of mine have to talk me out of these sorts of things before! "oh, no, you don't get it, he didn't mean it that way, he's really nice, etcetera", and i'm usually left wondering "wait, what did i do again?" i guess you could sort of consider it a "teething period", or something, only when i bite it actually hurts, and i get that, but it isn't intentional, and i am sorry about that.

as for the gamelan, it's not an instrument, first of all, it's an ensemble of instruments, and it's one i actually happen to like, although i'm a complete novice when it comes to proper gamelan music (but i'm starting to learn, or trying to, anyways.) i have 2 problems with eisley using it though:

1. they don't "get it". they're using the gamelan for it's exotic connontations, while failing to understand the instruments, their history, and, most importantly, their music, and i think that's wrong, and actually makes the music far worse off than it would be if they just left it alone. although, i do think it would be cool for eisley to incorporate true gamelan sounds into their music (and not just guitar parts done over!)

2. many other artists have similarly co-opted the gamelan for it's exotic connontations, making it an annoying and tacky cliche, like other similar "world music" instruments (bongos, the didgeridoo, etcetera), that really does make me want to vomit every time i hear it used that way!

posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:11 pm

hisownshot

A PEKING! Gamelan orchestras are the coolest, I just composed a gamelan piece for a class. It's kickin', very glad to see that sported!

posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:23 pm

boone

DNBA, you're way too sensetive to be so blatantly opinionated. You can't expect to be blunt with your assertions, and expect the subject of your ranting to except it all with open arms and thank yous.

Besides, you really are missing the point. Eisley is not making an authentic Indonesian music album. They're making an Eisley album, and they thought "This noise would sound good on this song." Of course, they're also playing resonator on the album without a slide, and they're playing guitars for music that is neither Spanish nor even close to Florentine. So you'll have to excuse them for misappropriating most of the instruments they'll be using on the album, and not make assumptions before you hear note one of the song.

posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:27 pm

boone

And, of course, I mean "sensitive" and "accept."

posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:31 pm

do not be afraid.

boone wrote:

DNBA, you're way too sensetive to be so blatantly opinionated. You can't expect to be blunt with your assertions, and expect the subject of your ranting to except it all with open arms and thank yous.

oh, i wasn't expecting that, and i certainly don't mind them being blunt with me at all, i'm just trying to be better understood.

boone wrote:

Of course, they're also playing resonator on the album without a slide, and they're playing guitars for music that is neither Spanish nor even close to Florentine. So you'll have to excuse them for misappropriating most of the instruments they'll be using on the album, and not make assumptions before you hear note one of the song.

actually, round-neck resonaters were never meant to "slide guitars", just loud guitars. it's the square-necks that are slide-specific, and i'd like to see someone try to play one of those without a slide! and i can actually trace eisley's music, and particularly their use of the guitar, all the way back to italy and spain, if you want me to...

posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:46 pm

boone

No. I don't want you to.

posted Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:57 pm