Eisley Leaves WB

Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:00 pm


After you read below... click on this clip and dream of an Eisley future full of constant musical
offerings outside of conventional label mindset. I'll post one with better audio *Details/credits
below. Read:


Dear Eisley fans - By now many of you might have noticed that Eisley has neither a 3rd album out... nor a release date for it. There's a reason for that. We've been waiting patiently to fill you in on what's really going on. Tonight everyone was hanging out at the house; we all just said, "let's start talking about this".

Opt'ing Out - No one has any idea how long we've wanted this. In September of '09, just before the Say Anything tour, our contact at WB called and outlined an option for Eisley to leave the label. He agreed we were likely going to get over-looked again. Big layoffs, several well known acts tanked... he had the power to help: "If Eisley wants to be one of those bands who just sits on the label and basically makes records... fine - you should stay... but that's not what I'm getting...". Us: "We never wanted to re-sign. We made it very clear a year ago; we wanted out...but you guys pushed us into staying... if we can get off, yes... please".

Ever heard of an annulment? More like ripping up a contract we worked on for a year. The ink was barely dry. Surprised by this news? Of course you aren't. Upset? You might be - but only because you were expecting a record this Spring. But I've heard the silent screams and the verbal complaints all along the way. Sorry if we're being candid or whimsical with this info; this is old news. We've been operating indie since before Fire Kite ep was ever manufactured but haven't had the urgent sense to drag you guys into the chagrin.

Chronopsis' - Short run down of what has happened during the last year: 1.) Began working on current LP Summer '08 completely outside of WB's knowledge (we decided there was no point in continuing). 2.) We begged to get off the label (actual quote: "Please... tell us where we sign to get off this label"). 3.) They held our feet to the fire, said they wouldn't drop us (option on a 3rd); they insisted we negotiate something that would be good for both of us... spoke of their "retooled label" and about how everything would be different (you can trust me). 4.) We continued working on the record (they got involved financially) 5.) We eventually signed a new deal, made plans for the SA tour 6.) The phone call (para 2) with the good tidings that they would let us out of our deal 6.) We amicably ended of our relationship (hand shake. legal shiz in process) and hit the road happy campers (SA - main support) 7.) WB held up the ep order and you got pissed 8.) WB failed to provide the merch they had promised (we had to scramble, pay out of pocket w/ only about a week before first showdate) 9. We got happy... returned back from the tour 10.) Holidays. People got married. Current. Life is great.

We're not choosing this post to articulate super-personal feelings on this issue but surely you've been reading between the lines. WB's questionable handling of Eisley's career from the dating all the way back to 2002 has been the source of much frustration both from the band and fans. I've been speaking cloak & dagger for nearly 2 years. What a relief to be at a place where we can talk openly about the future.

Nice Bunny Words - We're way more thankful than pissed. Business is business. Sometimes things go wrong. The industry basically crashed, burned and began rebuilding during the time Eisley was on WB. And let's be honest... there was a lot that went right. The same thing probably would have happened anywhere... on any label. The band made music, grew, toured, made more music, toured... repeat, etc. We are still in relationship with the key people at WB and have many friends there who recently came out to the LA show. This honestly isn't sour grapes. We appreciate what WB did for Eisley and hope the best for them. I think it's fair to pose the question: where would Eisley be today without WB? Whether it was the best road... it was the road. We can all ask - "what if..." but what would that accomplish. It's best to be thankful.

It might be fun to go back and talk about all the ridiculous problems we experienced at some point such as wb not releasing Eisley's major label debut in the UK... or perhaps - why they pulled the plug on that ridiculous fan site they insisted on (remember the failed attempt to send fans their cheesy prizes earned through point accumulation?)... we could talk about why they (admittedly) didn't push "Combinations"... or why after 7 years being on a major, the word "single" referred only to text on the paper label stuck to the cellophane on the jewel case (featuring the single: "Invasion") but let's not dwell on the past. They probably blame us. Let's talk about the future.

Long Awaited LP3? - I think you're going to believe it was worth the wait when you hear it. I refuse to bloat. And whether it sounds like a broken record or not we are finishing the record... making it better ourselves. The tracks are being approached from a final edit/magic sprinkles/mixing standpoint.

BUT - we have to make important decisions about the release of this record. All about new options. The band is leery of the current wilds of the industry and we're not entirely sure we want to resign. Majors are all requiring 360˚ deals (screw that) and many indies are incapable of doing more than we could do ourselves. Not saying we are not open. We are. Eyes wide open.

Labels - The good, the bad, the indifferent... I'm not being cocky but any label interested in signing this record/this band is going to really have to want it. They're going to have to be in love with this band from top down or we're not going down that road. They'll have to answer some tough questions. In this market, they might rather not.

Being on a label doesn't mean you're going to be pushed. Not saying WB didn't push Eisley. Just saying - there are no guarantee's. Even if your torch (A&R or significant person - a project manager, etc.) is super powerful and is really into your band, sometimes they're dealing with uninspired, rank and file 'ney-ney' people behind the veil who don't care about your band or have been given another band to push instead of yours. Labels sign SO many bands. That's the game. You can get overlooked as bigger bands take priority. So - it's very possible to be legally signed but practically dropped.

For example - Eisley's radio person was never on-board. She once told me: "yeah, i just don't really get Eisley... never have..." (quote). Everyone loves what they love and I'm not saying Eisley writes singles. I am saying that 'radio' wasn't a battle we could have never won while on WB.

I plan on writing several more successive posts about all of this... signed vs unsigned, what labels promise vs what bands give up, etc. I've learned a few things from working w/ 7 departments at wb, working on the jots and tiddles of a contract w/ an attorney for almost a year, from reading and experiencing first hand the reality of this changing industry... blah, blah, blah. Seems like lately so many bands, managers, promoters that I know are talking about all the crap they're dealing with. Just today I read a very heartfelt message from OK Go to their fans [edit: since then they parted ways and are on their own.] So if you guys are down, let's talk about it. Post a comments here or in Laughing City. Could be entertaining.

SXSW - The purpose of SXSW is to let the industry know what we're doing, stir the pot, showcase live music, let key people hear tracks, see what the interest level is... either find a label we really believe in or release this ourselves. It's really that simple. I could have written a book. Be glad I didn't.

Please come if you can. You can get in line, pay - without a badge. We're stoked over this line-up. Kashmir is one of our favorite bands. Our SXSW contact set this up because she knew this. Also, the Rocketboys are good friends. They're great. I've heard great things about Barcelona.

SXSW Showcase - 3/18 MAGGIE MAE'S Rooftop
SilverStarling @8
Rocketboys @9
Goldheart Assembly @10
Kashmir @11
Barcelona @12
Eisley @1am

Moxie -
1. vigor; verve; pep.
2. courage and aggressiveness; nerve.
3. skill; know-how.

One of my friends at wb (a high-up) once referred to Eisley as "the little train that could". I know he meant well but I would never characterize this band as this huffing/puffing little engine trying to climb a steep mountain but I can certainly attest to their level of perseverance and commitment to what they're doing.

I think it does take moxie but Eisley is not merely trying... they are being. Sure - the business side of this can be discouraging but you don't give up on what you are/who you are just because things are tough along the way. I've said it many times (read exhaustive study in previous journal): this is not about status, fame, popularity, money... or even about the struggle. You don't track your success by how fast you make it up the mountain or whether you even make it to the top of the mountain. It's not how many downloads you get or how many "next big thing" articles they write about you. It's not about whether Rolling Stone thinks you suck or if they think you are the "new god's of new metal" (where is Evanscence?). You don't win by being more popular than your peers.

You win by writing, recording, releasing music you love, are proud of. You get it out there however you can. You win by connecting with people through music. You win by influencing the world around you with your art. Hopefully along the way, you make the difference in someone's life. Hopefully you create a musical backtrack they can call their own. You define yourself by how you positively influence others in space and time. You use the talent God has given you.

*The Silver Springs Video - That's a Stevie Nicks song. Darren King is playing guitar, Jeremy Larson is playing piano at his studio in Missouri and Brandon Goodwin caught it on tape. This honestly was not planned. They were just hanging out... jamming... decided moments before this song just to push the button (track it); Brandon grabbed his video cameras, pointed, taped... edited.

I love it. I thought it was a great segue into more dialogue about how to approach the new world. Eisley hopes to do more and more and more of this kind of collective work... and more importantly - to create more and more and more Eisley music outside the industry construct - with it's worn out, old model conventions. We basically want to do what we want to do. That doesn't mean getting out of the biz', the game, the industry... it might mean we get in deeper. It might mean things like - if we want to play Cornerstone Festival, we do it. We don't care what anyone thinks (Dave Bazan, the atheist, plays CS - drunk). If we want to play a random one-off show in Louisiana, we do it. If we decide to make a live, collective video/recording of Eisley and their enclave of family & friends, we do it. Get it?

The End - We live in a technological world that affords the weak and the strong to be able to create. The digital revolution has changed the music business forever. The industry that monetizes music might be slowly losing the battle but music itself is winning. Major labels are no longer able to dictate what is good or what we should like. iPods are the new compact disc. We now listen to SO much music - from Grammy winning (recycled) artists to our friends' bands who live next door. Anyone can record a record. If small, start-up bands can write & record their own music, play shows, tour... how much more can Eisley accomplish - with or without a label. After all - that's how it all began. This is only the beginning. When you hear the new album, I think you'll agree.

We love you all.

bd

p.s. The Silver Springs video is also on Yahoo - that's great publicity but the sound/video quality suffers: http://new.music.yahoo.com/videos/StacyDuPree/Silver-Spring--218627935 so if you aren't super stoked over the YouTube quality, I also posted it on our server. The quality is way better than either: http://www.eisley.com/myspace/Silverspring_small.mov

77 Comments

ashleymab
I think this is a good thing. Eisley is just a great band in general with people who seem to genuinely care about their craft. And beyond that, they all have great talent.

I know Eisley has been a a huge inspiration to me. I was going through a semi dark period in my life and then i heard about room noises and how i really needed to listen to it and then I got more into the band and somehow a lot of my perspective changed. that might sound a little weird, but I guess the point was, I never heard about Eisley from WB or on the radio, Obviously, but from another artist I like. SO, I am not worried about Eisley. Their talent and passion is there with or without a major label. You guys need to deal with people that understand that you guys are real, passionate people who are making genuinely great music and thats a rare thing these days.

That sounds like a bunch of rambly who-ha. But I just wanted to say what was on my mind. Excited for the new record? yes. Is it going to be worth the wait? of course. I just love you guys. and I know it will be good. so i will wait. Smile

posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:01 am
ashleymab
I had a big ol' fat juicy comment written out and it didn't post for some reason. So now I will just say this. You guys are great and you changed my life. And It had nothing to do with WB. Talent doesn't fade away because some suits aren't backing you. You have proven yourself to be talented, good natured people. I am certainly excited for the new record, I have said it 1000 times, but I will wait because Eisley knows how to make some dern good music. plain and simple. so in whatever way you guys choose to go, i will support this band as long you are around to give us healthy portions of beautiful music. Smile

posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:07 am
inorbit
So ecstatically happy for all of you guys. And
very excited about this (of course, seeing you listed on the SXSW showcase was a tiny clue there were stirrings in the air).

Everyone has the capacity for some passion, and most people of any kind can understand the practicalities of financial viability, so common ground can be found sometimes when it is mutually beneficial, but-

People who are first and foremost greed-driven and those who are first and foremost love-driven will always have trouble getting each other. Their trains are ultimately going different places, even if they run on the same rails in places along the way. At the end of the day, the objectives are too different.

I'm not an artist- I do something completely different, but this was the conclusion I came to when I ducked out of the big corporate world ten years ago.

Glad you are setting a high bar for labels and not walking around with your hand out, but I hope you don't write them all off prematurely. All labels are businesses- they exist to handle the business aspects of the art... and they have to try to be viable. But some of them are run by people are there first for love (obviously, not talking majors here)- and they can do useful things.

That said, there are some interesting channel options for bands that have some cachet and savvy of their own, and who want to really do the work to take responsibility for building their own fan-base. Some are more radical than others (and I'm not talking about the likes of Radiohead who can give their stuff away because they don't need the money to eat). At the radical end, Kristin Hersh has her own little program that is interesting to check out (CASH)- if only serendipitously. I don't know how it works, but within the last year I bought albums from David Byrne and Brian Eno and from the Beastie Boys, both of whom were selling direct off of artist web pages through some kind of distribution facilitator or something called Topspin (www.topspin.net). And some surprisingly respectable artists who have a loyal enough fanbase are even just going with CD Baby for distribution.

Its a whole new world out there, and its you're oyster.

...Another self-serving though...
You should play out more!

Don't buy the bs. that playing out in your own region undermines your stock as a national act. Thats corporate BS. and you're not corporate anymore. Nurturing a large, concentrated and rabid fanbase never hurt anyone. And playing nearby is a lot cheaper than touring.

Just a thought.

Godspeed Eisley.... you're your own band again now...

posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:28 am
boyd
No surprises here either... serious, thoughtful, sincere response from people who represent. Mirror image... input/output. Maybe that's the mystery.

I want to ad: this record will get released. You will get it. Eisley will tour it. You will hear it live.

posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:01 am
Caley
Thank goodness! I'm glad you all made the decision to leave WB. They never backed y'all like y'all deserved. I'm sooo happy you guys are willing to take the stand and do what's best for what you want and for the music you make.

Whatever decision you all make regarding a label or remaining unsigned, I completely back your decision.

And, I think from the taste we all got from the Fire Kite EP, we all know LP3 is going to be brilliant!

Also, does this mean Eisley's official music videos will be able to go back up on Youtube? Or does the WB still technically own those rights?

Anyways, this was really awesome news to wake up to. I think for awhile now, probably since the lack of push for Combinations by WB, most of us have been hoping for this day to come.

posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:11 am
juan
Having read through that mammoth post, I couldn't read the comments.....

But this is the best news I've heard all year, well, since Midlake announced they'd be selling the LP's pre-release on the UK tour! At least that is, if it's good for you guys, I think it's great! I had been expecting it for a while but the SA tour indicated it might not happen.

Anyway, hurrah! And that Stevie Nicks cover is sublime, seriously seriously good. I think WB have lost a star, if not Eisley, Stacy!

regarding the 'little train that could' comment, I'd scratch that and replace with 'the big train that won't', 'cos under WB I never could see Eisley 'making it'. I've said it time and again, but Eisley deserves to be out there, slogging around europe in a van promoting records and garnering support not just in the US but beyond. I'm sure times will be hard, but hopefully one day, they will 'make it'. Can't wait to see you guys at a club near us, soon!!

SXSW - make sure you're there early to see Goldheart Assembly, saw them last year support Low Anthem at a tiny club here in Newcastle, they were top notch.

posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:43 am
juan
sorry bout the 2 posts.

Oh, and 1 other thing, if you do sign to another label can you get it written down, no enforced 'hit singles' or songwriting and definitely definitely no sh!t videos in stupid costumes! Laughing

posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:53 am
grain thrower
"Oh the times, they are a-changin'."

There aren't many lines to read between on Twitter but a couple posts by you and Sherri from a couple weeks ago gave a clue something might be going down, but I didn't expect this soon. So this news is a bit like a surprise party you find out about beforehand but then are amazed by how many people show up! This is the end of a partnership, not the end of the journey - the journey continues, and with much less baggage. New opportunities, whether that means finding a new label or forging your own path. What excites me most is what we've touched on before, the freedom to deliver music any way Eisley wants. That game plan sure sounds exponentially better for both sides - band and fans - than ten songs every two years. I certainly appreciate Eisley's decision to "let's start talking about this," because there's been some nagging doubt in my mind about what WB has been doing with LP3 ever since Eisley and Tegan & Sara (also on Reprise) both went into the studio in August, Tegan & Sara emerged with 'Sainthood' on the shelves in October while Eisley....? True, we don't know when LP3 is forthcoming but the importantest (yes, importantest) thing for us to acknowledge is that Eisley scored the greatest opt-out deal in the history of music - THEY GET TO KEEP THOSE SONGS! Incredible. Juliana Hatfield eventually begged her way off Atlantic in 1998 after two years and an unsuccessful hunger strike when they were unsatisfied with her album God's Foot because they "didn't hear a single," and that lost masterpiece remains locked away to this day. Thank goodness for sympathetic sound engineers... In December I spoke with Trish Young, one of the singing/writing team of a brilliant 1990s Australian band called the Clouds who hung up their gear in 1997, and she had learned they can't even put their songs on iTunes until 2012 because of the contract they signed in 1988. So well done Mr. Shapiro!

"The future's so bright, I gotta wear shades." Cool

posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:09 am
granpaturtle
you really only need a thousand die hard fans to get by right? Just think of how many people will buy the LP and a t-shirt every year and go to every show in their hometown (or neighboring states). If you front all the costs you reap all the profits. I think you guys are in the exact perfect position to be on your own, I've believed that for years. Glad to hear its finally happening and many good tidings to you all.

posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:15 am
eisleyfan14203
So the album will be released and we will hear it but when will it be? Will it be this spring? this summer? this year even? I keep hearing about it and now that the split with WB is final. when will it get out? SO happy yall are free and can now get the ball rolling. Cant wait for baton rouge and SXSW!

posted Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:52 am