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 Post subject: Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 11:35 am 
PoorWriter wrote: OK, you and I can go round and round on this for pages and bore everyone else. i'm actually really interested. _________________ hello. |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 11:53 am
Boyd's got a point (Hey, I like to keep my post as Captain Obvious): there are bands that have changed there sound and sunk into the murky depths of Used-to-be. One that comes to mind is Dave Matthews. Dave is one of those gifted artists that has an odd mix of fans. There are the mob-mentality brainless who listen to his music because lots of people that smoke up do too or perhaps because he was the new "thing". There are (were?) also people who actually liked good music who were fans. The man has some skill on guitar, I don't think that can be denied. I started out not a fan, as he struck me as the flavor of the year and everyone was oogling over his music. But, after a while I started to like his music. Until Everyday I was with him. Something about that album just stunk though, and that's just an opinion so don't go screaming at me that the album was mana from heaven. I often hear a phrase that's relavent here, "Artists have the right to change." Someone may have used it in the thread; to be honest I haven't read all of it so I apologize if I'm being redundant. I agree, artists have the right to change when they see fit. The choice is theirs. However, that doesn't mean that I have to go trapsing along with their progression. I agree with Boyd, changing simply because that's what is expected is stupid. If you're going to be true to the art, to your music such as it is, then you can't just cast it into the mold that your label or the public creates for you. hmm...[/sad, stupid thoughts] ~!Matt _________________ For gooey nuggets of aimless rambling: http://www.myspace.com/malfaiteur I wrote your name in red chalk on the sidewalk in front of my house. |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 12:00 pm
OK, but only cause ali asked for it... I do feel bands have to do more than write great songs. Sure you can sell 5 million copies of a record, but if you take that album and use it as a mold for the next three, you will lose fans. Concious or not, "A change is gonna come." Bands known for their artistic merit, like Radiohead, will find the changes come naturally as the band grows and explores new territory. I never meant to say that the change has to be this big overt move on the band's part. But to make the same record over — regardless of how good the songs are — is a mistake. Look at acts like Cheap Trick or the Cars. Both wrote great songs, even after the biggest albums, but failed to make a dent because the albums looked like carbon copies of previous efforts. Granted, others like Fleetwood Mac made a switch and bombed ("Tusk") but how can you really follow-up a 20 million selling behemoth like "Rumors"? The art will beg to evolve. It's how art is. And now that I'm re-reading your last post, I'm seeing our paths on this issue beginning to meld into one. Strong work Cacto-head. And hey man, "Twist and Shout"? C'mon. If I want to listen to that Chuck-Berry cover crap, I'll listen to Chuck Berry or Bo Diddley or Carl Perkins or one of the other greats they ripped off. _________________ "It's the new golden fact." |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 12:05 pm
I was going to say something, but then I realized it's all just people slapping strings or banging drums and making thier voices do things. People take art too seriously. If I like the song, I'm cool. But maybe I'm easily amused. Whatever. Back to the real discussion ...  _________________ My photography:www.jamiemphoto.com You can't spell awesome without emo...backwards! -Julie definingawesome (11:44:11 PM): Eisley shivers our timbers |
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Joined: 15 Aug 2003 | Posts: 25184 | Location: East Texas
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 12:16 pm
TheAntrider wrote: I was going to say something, but then I realized it's all just people slapping strings or banging drums and making thier voices do things. People take art too seriously. If I like the song, I'm cool.
But maybe I'm easily amused. Whatever. Back to the real discussion ... Hey if it was that easy: a) I'd be out of work b) I'd be at home listening to "Toxic" over and over. _________________ "It's the new golden fact." |
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Joined: 04 Nov 2003 | Posts: 1000 | Location: Camp Anawanna
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 1:16 pm
YES... I have taken arms with you over such a small point....but the point you shall recieve on that day shall gore thee with a swatch so wide...it will rival the widest distance of the PECOS river, my friend!! bd _________________ EisleyWebGuy "The industrialists never saw the fruit of their own labor - Post Moderism, which I now proclaim as dead. Their forefathers digital revolutionists, have accelerated the final resolve by punctuating an end to our chaotic journey with a new manifesto and a new era: The Age of Meaning." (manifesto's sold separate) Welcome: Illuminists |
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Joined: 04 Nov 2002 | Posts: 5180 | Location: Tyler, Texas
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 2:06 pm
Some bands change because they've got the money to. Like their studio budget didn't fit their ideas they had for their music.... _________________ http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=KevinNaaaaaa |
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Joined: 24 Dec 2003 | Posts: 1350 | Location: Los Angeles
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 3:02 pm
PoorWriter wrote: OK, but only cause ali asked for it... i feel so honored 
and i agree with you a lot here, eddie. i was meaning to say that i think it should be an organic, natural thing - never forced. but then i realized i have no authority here, not being an artist.. more an art appreciator. _________________ hello. |
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Joined: 23 Aug 2003 | Posts: 5978 | Location: Austin, Texas
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 4:04 pm
I'd love to et more info on the venues they're playing at. Anyone, please. |
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Joined: 25 Jan 2004 | Posts: 1546 | Location: Look under your bed...
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 4:35 pm
Who wants to listen to Everclear anymore? They are the perfect example of the kind of band I'm talking about. |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 4:40 pm
oh my. please don't compare coldplay to everclear. i realize 'in my place' resembles 'everythings not lost', but come on.. at least he's not singing about his dad in every single song.  _________________ hello. |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 7:02 pm
I guess Eddie is a sensible man... he's successfully backtracked and aligned himself with me...and that's sensible. I like him even more now. But, Mr. Ed, if you EVER elude to the Beatles and crap in the same breath again, i'm going to do something so bad, you'll want to write a bad review of Eisely. (well, maybe I better not threaten you...we need those good review...uh, ok, what's a good review worth to you, anyway? ) Anyway, go ahead and listen to Chuck Berry and all those other guys...and yes, the Beatles stood on their shoulders to see further. They also listened to your own: The Beach Boys. But you should also toss Radiohead... start listening to Van Morison... Every great band were fans of those before them. I Saw Her Standing There... how dare you. You're probably too young to have even heard that one. How about "Help", "We Can Work it Out"? Please don't poke fun at the Beatles...it's just wrong. _________________ EisleyWebGuy "The industrialists never saw the fruit of their own labor - Post Moderism, which I now proclaim as dead. Their forefathers digital revolutionists, have accelerated the final resolve by punctuating an end to our chaotic journey with a new manifesto and a new era: The Age of Meaning." (manifesto's sold separate) Welcome: Illuminists |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 7:06 pm
RATM seemed to do quite alright making their albums all the same sounded, all selling platinum, but each song had a powerful meaning, same style or not. _________________ Music died with Kurt Cobain <<>><<>><<>><<>><< If the sky falls can I count on your vote? |
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Joined: 15 Jan 2004 | Posts: 5464 | Location: Galt, California
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 1:08 am
ali wrote: oh my. please don't compare coldplay to everclear. i realize 'in my place' resembles 'everythings not lost', but come on.. at least he's not singing about his dad in every single song. I didn't really compare them to Coldplay. I'm just saying that's a prime example of a band gone boring. |
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Joined: 20 Aug 2003 | Posts: 2261 | Location: Ames, Iowa
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 3:50 am
Squirly wrote: RATM seemed to do quite alright making their albums all the same sounded, all selling platinum, but each song had a powerful meaning, same style or not. And where are they now? _________________ "It's the new golden fact." |
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