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 Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 5:22 am 
...to quote from Two Thirty-Eight's song Sad Semester... "I find it funny how the all-stars are all old and fat. And the cheerleaders have babies with houses and husbands..they should have known." Ah...too true, too true. _________________ And it's so sad to see the world agree That they'd rather see their faces fill with flies All when I'd want to keep white roses in their eyes. 
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 5:32 am
this is getting stupid. being an outsider or a wallflower does not mean you are going to be above anyone else. there are some jocks that grow up to succeed, there are some cheerleaders that grow up to succeed, and there are some geeks that grow up to succeed. notice that quote comes from a musician; are you really sure you want to model your life after someone that is living off being in a band? that is definitely not a guaranteed road to success, you know, and there are plenty of good musicians and fans of those good musicians that give their lives over to sloth and drugs just like anyone else. troy |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 5:35 am
boyd are you advocating us all falling madly in love with your daughters? other than my sister they are the some of the few girls i know of (besides my mom and your wife, who are married) that score high on the boydscale. most of the girls around here are very nice but too... normal... its bothersome. a few are eccentric (one thinks i am a pirate, she always says piratey things to me, like "Shiver me timbers!") but yeah. maybe i should actually go and try to meet some girls because all the ones ive found are way too straightlaced and normal. i want someone who still builds treeforts and dances the tango... darn it all! me and my wife are tangoing! |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 5:38 am
addendum: who wants to be succesful? not me! at least not by worldly standards. there is so much in the world that is more important than what most people consider success. id rather be broke touring the country playing in little coffeeshops and eeking out a meager existence than a ceo stuck behind a desk in a big city. |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 5:43 am
ilitherian wrote: addendum: who wants to be succesful? not me! at least not by worldly standards. there is so much in the world that is more important than what most people consider success. id rather be broke touring the country playing in little coffeeshops and eeking out a meager existence than a ceo stuck behind a desk in a big city. actually, success is being able to support yourself and your family (if you have one, which, biblically speaking is the primary method of evangelism - kind of important). even putting the bible aside and arguing from a completely objective point of view, it still is difficult to tour the country as a musician, and endeavoring to be a poor, starving artist is not a good incentive to provide for someone to marry you. that is the argument at hand, after all: qualities to find in a potential mate. adding to the above-listed flaw in your argument, it is also quite arbitrary. so what if a person who is born gifted of sports seeks after a well-paying job when he is out of high school and college? we are all born with different interests and gifts; to just throw people into categories based on what gifts they did not receive is ignorant, prideful, and wrong. troy |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 5:53 am
Yes, I'd rather be poor any day...er...actually I already am..ha. And of course sterio-types are proven wrong. Sure, there are plenty of cheerleaders and jocks that are not stuck on themselves and have a very fulfilling life. No modeling going on here  ...only referencing a bit of what Mr. Boyd was speaking on...yes. And I do see where you are coming from Mr. Policehq. Yes indeed. _________________ And it's so sad to see the world agree That they'd rather see their faces fill with flies All when I'd want to keep white roses in their eyes.
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 5:54 am
eeking out a meager existence is provision enough for me. if i get married things will be much different. i think also the biblical standard of success was having a cloak and a staff and no money. some of the most successful people i know from a Christian persepctive are dirt poor. i don't object to having money, but it definently isn't my top priority nor do i think it should be. |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 6:00 am
Quote: that is the argument at hand, after all: qualities to find in a potential mate. this really shouldn't be the argument at hand, since that's not the topic of the thread and all. i don't think we're going to find a happy resolution here, just bickering. suffice it to say, depending on your values, there's no real right or wrong. _________________ hello. |
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Joined: 23 Aug 2003 | Posts: 5978 | Location: Austin, Texas
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 6:01 am
ilitherian wrote: eeking out a meager existence is provision enough for me. if i get married things will be much different. i think also the biblical standard of success was having a cloak and a staff and no money. some of the most successful people i know from a Christian persepctive are dirt poor. i don't object to having money, but it definently isn't my top priority nor do i think it should be. of course if you get married things will be very different... but i certainly don't think you have room to be mocking someone for having a plan and fallback plan, or anyone who actually wants to make sure their kids get fed. you'll also want to be able to support your kids and their interests, like playing guitar or *gasp* sports, if they are interested in it. they can get scholarships for school that will be more money than you can provide for them from spare change given to you for tips at a local coffee shop. troy |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 6:05 am
ali wrote: Quote: that is the argument at hand, after all: qualities to find in a potential mate. this really shouldn't be the argument at hand, since that's not the topic of the thread and all. i don't think we're going to find a happy resolution here, just bickering. suffice it to say, depending on your values, there's no real right or wrong. um, boyd addressed the topic, blatantly generalizing and insulting tons of respectable people. i really think an apology or retraction is due. it should be the argument at hand. and of course there is a right and wrong. cheerleading and being a jock certainly is not the only requirement for being wrong. listening to radiohead and bjork certainly is not the only requirement for being right. i won't back down on that. this is a discussion forum, and despite the fact that this thread was to discuss post-waking up eye problems, a provocative comment has been made that invites discussion. none of it should be idly cast aside in favor of everyone agreeing with duprees. i personally have a hard time believing sherri really needs to hear us talking about that with which she started this thread anyway. troy |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 6:19 am
what i meant was, there is no right or wrong when it comes to what you want to do with your life - as long as you're not harming others. i think it's great when people can throw caution to the wind, tour the country living off table scraps, and not care about a 401(k) plan. it takes a lot of guts. i think that kind of activity would be irresponsible if you did have a family and kids to worry about. but your values might tell you that you should think about preparing yourself for a family and kids. some people might not want to even have kids. it's all about perspective. geez, lighten up. maybe this will help. 
edit:moved picture to my site _________________ hello. |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 6:24 am
ali wrote: i think that kind of activity would be irresponsible if you did have a family and kids to worry about.
which is the current topic, so what exactly is your argument again? again, my argument is in response to boyd's approach to FINDING A MATE AND RAISING YOUR KIDS. please don't argue that it is fine for a single person to be in a band because i know it is. troy edit: and yes, that is a good picture. at first it was a red x. and upon investigation of the properties, i was a bit intimidated to follow the link (oral sex), but i did, and yes. i'm not too tight to appreciate kittens and monsters that strangely remind me of the "coffee and tv" music video. |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 7:08 am
domokun's! i wasn't trying to mock or belittle people, i am just saying i do not think success in the standard meaning is what should drive us. we should do what we are led to do and if that is to be productive and work a regular job great. but for many that is not the case but many times people still buy into the myth that unless you are white and upper-middle class your life is not a success. if you happen to be either or both that is not a bad thing, just don't force middle american values on society. someone can provide for a family on much less than what people consider successful. uhm... personally, i think this has gotten a wee bit out of hand and if i am part of the cause i would like to apologize for offending anyone. my statements still stand, because i truly believe them and hold them as truth. i just hope that we agree to be different in what we seek as success. |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 7:16 am
see what happens when we talk about girls being insane? looks like maybe boys can be too, sometimes. _________________ hello. |
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Joined: 23 Aug 2003 | Posts: 5978 | Location: Austin, Texas
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 7:16 am
boys aren't insane... we're stupid. or maybe thats just me. |
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