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 Post subject: Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 2:40 am 
i agree that there is definitely a vibe here that leaves out newer members... but that's kinda how it is in any forum (in my experience)... and while it can be a bummer, those who are persistant will easily gain the respect of the older members... but, even being a noob, i agree with grandpaturtle... completely... i don't think he was trying to take things to the extreme that some of you are... i believe he was just trying to say, exercise some caution... i would hate to see this end up destroying the thread... because this forum really is different from any other one. _________________ THE AUDIOSCROBBLER! My Beloved Xangatron! El mYspaceico |
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Joined: 10 Apr 2005 | Posts: 341 | Location: Tinley Park, IL
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 3:12 am
Kyle, most of this thread isn't about your post, but I don't know what you're so angry about. Andrew was simply asking the forum a question, and I think he makes some valid points. Also, though I don't know Andrew well, I can't imagine why you would ask such horrible questions about his motives. I think it is appropriate to protect your friends' privacy. I hope you know Andrew very well, or what you did would be extremely bad form, to say the least. Anyways, I get the feeling that Andrew is closer to the band, and especially Boyd, than a lot of people here, so it makes sense he would have such strong feelings on this issue. While I do hope to meet them soon, I am not silly enough to believe that the members of Eisley and will be very good friends. They may remember me, but in one conversation we will not learn enough about each other to be true friends. Perhaps I use the term "friend" in a much heavier sense than it is most often used around here. In any case, after one or two meetings, I don't believe I will be entitled to know their deepest darkest secrets, nor would I necessarily want to. Also, while it may be understandable that their increased fame has put their personal lives more in the spotlight, that does not make it more acceptable. As far as the mods go, you can't expect them to catch every thread that gets out of hand right away, especially as the board continues to grow. If some uncouth individual chooses to post personal information about the band, there is no way it will be caught and deleted before others get a chance to view it. As the board continues to grow there will be more and more people here without the sense or compunction to stop from posting or re-posting that information. So, I think Andrew's concerns are very real. I am not very new, but then again I don't go searching for info about the band. I'm not really interested, because I don't feel it is any of my concern or business. Don't get me wrong, I wish them well, but to me they are artists and all I want them to share with me is their art. That is why I am thankful for Sherri's many drawings and photographs, as well as their music. The simple fact is that they don't know most of us well enough to warrant sharing the very personal stuff. Even with my close friends I do not push them into sharing things they do not want to share. It is rude and selfish in its own right. Plus, my friends know when they should share that sort of information. I'd bet the DuPrees are smart enough to know that also. I hate to put this sort of responsibility on Kim, but we do need someone close to the band to give those in the know some guidance here about what information is appropriate to disseminate and what is not. In any case, I'd bet the safest thing to do is to pm the band members directly if you have personal questions. I know that seems like common sense, but if you think about it, it wasn't common enough to keep that thread about Sherri's relationship from popping up. JD _________________ "Well, hopefully that's our job, to strap rockets onto everything." - Adam Savage, Mythbusters |
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Joined: 26 Jan 2005 | Posts: 3655 | Location: Waterloo, Tejas
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 3:23 am
What I got from this... Andrew: When bands are smaller, there is a blurry line between fans and friends/ acquaintances . And you would tell friends things that you probably wouldn't tell "fans". Kyle: We are all equal in Laughing City, regardless of our joined date. _________________ Power is only pain It’s probably better to have him inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in. "Can we get control of an individual to the point where he will do our bidding against his will and even against fundamental laws of nature, such as self preservation?" -memo from 1952 Project ARTICHOKE 
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Joined: 19 Aug 2004 | Posts: 10565 | Location: Somewhere in the middle of nowhere
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 3:38 am
Wow...this thread is CONTROVERSIAL! |
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Joined: 20 Feb 2005 | Posts: 242 | Location: Malaysia
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 3:47 am
Antiarches wrote: i agree that there is definitely a vibe here that leaves out newer members... but that's kinda how it is in any forum (in my experience)... and while it can be a bummer, those who are persistant will easily gain the respect of the older members... Do you really feel like that? I can't say I've ever noticed that sort of attitude, except from one really old person who is not a very nice fellow anyways. I have to admit I'm a bit surprised. JD _________________ "Well, hopefully that's our job, to strap rockets onto everything." - Adam Savage, Mythbusters |
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Joined: 26 Jan 2005 | Posts: 3655 | Location: Waterloo, Tejas
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 3:51 am
ABBAgirl wrote: Wow, I sense some anger, but I can easily understand both sides of this argument. Ditto, ABBAgirl wrote: On the other hand, it is very true that certain Qs and As shouldn't be given out, and if they are violating their very personal privacy, the moderators will take care of it. and they do. This is a point that has been raised up time and again. I think there should be guidlines about what to post/what not to post. I'm a member of an MSN group (a few, actually), which has a "Please read before joining" thing, detailing what's acceptable and what's not. It is true that people just need to use they're common sense, but sometimes, for whatever reason, that is lacking. ABBAgirl wrote: People need to stop taking things so personal here. yup. As on any board, really. People sometimes forget that they're writing to real people, simply cus what they're typing is not really going anywhere (well, the internet, but that's not really "real" in the philosophical sense...that being that you can't really touch it, smell it etc) ABBAgirl wrote: Let's stay like a big, ever-growing family, guys! I love all of you! (Or do I?? lol) Me likes that idea!! 
ABBAgirl wrote: Peace out, buddies! ABBAgirl also a class idea.... and an ace way of signing off posts...so individual... back to the topic!!! KyleRossP wrote: As far as very personal info., such as gossip about Sherri's boyfriend, etc., Myself or anybody that i know who may be a friend of the band, or would know such information, would never come here to post about that, never even THINK about posting stuff like that.
BUT, someone did, some person with no respect. WE CANNOT CONTROL that, other than to lock the thread, or delete it, which is what the Forum Moderators are for. On the other hand, I think we can control itto an extent. we can tell people what will be deleted, what is wrong, what is right. KyleRossP wrote: To Censor the Forum by withholding basic information from others is just wrong. I do not think that that is what Andrew (grandpaturtle...did i get the real name right? hmmm...) really meant. I think he was saying that basic info. is needed, yes, but gossip? no. i personally can not stand gossip, and never believe any rumours that come my way. i'm starting to off tangent again... moving on.... AdrianA wrote: Yet, some of the members here especially the old ones who are fiercely in love with this band, will easily get offended by any talk or minor joke about some members of the band, however minor it is. never known that to happen in my month or so of living here...no wait, posting here AdrianA wrote: I guess this goes to show that Eisley have some fiercely protective fans. I understand what granpaturtle is trying to say in the first post, but yet kinda feel left out by it...feel like an outsider...outside of Eisley warm friendly zone...outside of yeah...i'm blabbering... no worries about the blabbering (great word, that.. not used it in ages), i do it all the time. But, yeh, I think someone raised the point that Andrew's original post may make people fell like that... and it obviously has. I think that will prove useful, in regards to how we tackle the personal info. problem. Pantheon4 wrote: If you think this is bad, you should go to a larger board. On the Interpol board there's personal information being tossed around like nothing. And to my knowledge there aren't any close relatives to confirm or deny. Don't quote me on that. I'm not sure But, yeh... that sounds like gossip to me. I think that's just part of the human condition, and therefore we can not prevent it. However we can help to prevent the effects of it. i for one try to not listened to gossip, as it demoralises people, and it just sucks in general. and DARN! i just realised i quoted you! woops.   .
Sorry about the length of this post, dudes and dudettes, but i like typing and trying to help. although, not nessecarily in that order or together. Ewan. _________________ She is handsome, she is pretty, she is the girl from Belfast City, she is courtin' one two three, please won't you tell me who is she? TheClassicRomance wrote: Facebook is a dirty skank blog! |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 3:59 am
!. i think the main thing here is that people need to know where THEY should draw the line. some things are just inappropriate to ask people you don't know. even if you kinda sorta know them. people gotta be respectful and think "is this nessecary to know". we'll be allllll gravy. i mean, i blog comment sometimes. but i get blog commented once and a while...people do that, its normal. if people just figure out that this band is just a family (yes i consider jon at least part dupree), and they have private lives too...and that they're just normal regular people with extraordinary gifts, it'd all be cool i think. they arent superhuman. people make them out to be this like...omfg super famous rock group omg!..and they arent. they're just regular people who have a chance to do something amazing. not to diminish the band, but they have private lives...how would you feel if people were talking about a bunch of aspects of your life publically...pretty weirded out, right? that said they handle it extreeeemly well. whatever. i'm done blabbering seriously. i think andrew and ryan get what i'm attempting to say, maybe they can convey it in better wordagation. _________________ knives don't have your back. |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 4:07 am
CONCLUSION TO MY POST ABOVE i haven't actually stated what i believe we should do about this thingy... I think we should have some way of letting people know what will be accepted on the board, reminding them also that they will be replying to real people. I think that this should also state clearly that any questions about the band that are deemed to personal will be deleted. I think if someone reads a question that they can not answer truthfully or validly then they should not answer, unless they state that they really have no clue and they are hypothesising. I think common sense is required here (that is, if the world has any of the stuff left. *sighs*); both in the "what to ask" thing, and the "what to reply with" thing. I think small bands can get more intimate with their fans, as there as less of them. Heck, that goes for anyone; if you have less friends you'll be closer to them, if you have ore friends they'll probably be more like mates or pals. it's a dangerous thing to do. I have, and often double book myself for parites and such like. as ever, i'm going off tangent (indeed, check the lack of capitalisation  )
so, yeh. that's it. people need to know where to draw the line. common sense that all it bottles down to. two things, before i depart to revise: 1) Jay wrote:
!. omfg super famous rock group omg!..and they arent they aint even superfamous over here!! i like it that way.. people think i'm MAD for liking this band...nay...loving them! weeeely cool picture, btw! i'm luvin' it!!! 2) Jay wrote: wordagation. reference to the "make your own word" thread, per chance? That's me done. for now... _________________ She is handsome, she is pretty, she is the girl from Belfast City, she is courtin' one two three, please won't you tell me who is she? TheClassicRomance wrote: Facebook is a dirty skank blog! |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 4:09 am
I seriously think there should be an FAQ for some of this. Well, for the big question that spurred this. In a perfect world, no one would care and just wait to find out on their own, if they happen across the information. As it is, people want to know, and some want to ask it. So a very short but sufficient writing of the truth — along with a kind reminder that there are some things that are no one's business — would serve as a quick answer and a hint that people don't need to be asking such things. It's the best way to cut off questions and reduce misinformation. With prominence, privacy shrinks, sadly. But this really can be reduced by some shrewd public relations moves. Give a little information sometimes, and people are satisfied. Give nothing and they just crave more. It's odd how that works. _________________ My photography:www.jamiemphoto.com You can't spell awesome without emo...backwards! -Julie definingawesome (11:44:11 PM): Eisley shivers our timbers |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 4:15 am
jdstories wrote: Antiarches wrote: i agree that there is definitely a vibe here that leaves out newer members... but that's kinda how it is in any forum (in my experience)... and while it can be a bummer, those who are persistant will easily gain the respect of the older members... Do you really feel like that? I can't say I've ever noticed that sort of attitude, except from one really old person who is not a very nice fellow anyways. I have to admit I'm a bit surprised. JD i do not mean in any way that people are mean to others in here... because i have not encountered that at all one bit... but i guess what i meant was that the noobs are testing the waters and older forum members don't know us yet, and we've just got to gain the trust or something of people... but i'm a cynical old man _________________ THE AUDIOSCROBBLER! My Beloved Xangatron! El mYspaceico |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 4:31 am
How do all of you have the time to read these long post and write long post? School? Work?  _________________ Power is only pain It’s probably better to have him inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in. "Can we get control of an individual to the point where he will do our bidding against his will and even against fundamental laws of nature, such as self preservation?" -memo from 1952 Project ARTICHOKE
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 4:49 am
I'm guessing No to both _________________ A good way to threaten somebody is to light a stick of dynamite. Then you call the guy and hold the burning fuse up to the phone. "Hear that?" you say. "That's dynamite, baby."-Jack Handey |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 5:05 am
Pantheon4 wrote: How do all of you have the time to read these long post and write long post? School? Work? this IS work. _________________ knives don't have your back. |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 5:13 am
Jay wrote: Pantheon4 wrote: How do all of you have the time to read these long post and write long post? School? Work? this IS work. Man, I wish I got paid to surf the forum all day. _________________ Power is only pain It’s probably better to have him inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in. "Can we get control of an individual to the point where he will do our bidding against his will and even against fundamental laws of nature, such as self preservation?" -memo from 1952 Project ARTICHOKE
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 5:53 am
i will kill you all with kindness if you don't stop bickering. |
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