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 Post subject: is anyone elsePosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:05 pm 
tired of this album process? I know, they are doing all they can to get it out. I know, they just want it to be the best it can be. I know, it will be worth the wait in the end for many. BUT isn't there a line between wanting it to be perfect and just making it sound good and getting it out there? let's be honest, true fans have got to be losing interesting in Eisley and this album. at least around here (NE) I know they are. It's nothing against the band, it's that the "suspense" has gone on far too long and it's stupid to expect anything large (soon) from it. Sure an EP would be good now, but it seems that the number one priority here is conquering the world of music in one album by trying to make it absolute perfection (not possible). We have to be rational here, Eisley does not appeal to as large of an audience as the BEATLES once did(and still do) or some other rediculously huge band. Many of my friends are fans, but many people I have tried to show just think Eisley is completely "retarded" or "gay" or "too girlish for guys" or "emo (in it's worst negative connotation)". Sure, they may have a horrible taste in music (obviously) but the point remains, mainstream Philistines will probably not hop into Eisley as fast as they have the Fray or Panic! in the past few years. So why then...is this such an epic deal to put one album out? YES, it's great to work your hardest at what you do. but COME ON, there is a LINE here that has been crossed. If it weren't for US, the FANS, Eisley would not be EISLEY. there is no more suspense for this album. there is no more "big deal" about it. when it comes out, it comes out, and cool. I'm sure it will be great/fantastic/amazing but I'm sure it could have been, even if it was released by now. For all I care, throw a solid red cover on it, stick it in a paper cover and I'll pay $10 for it. My personal opinion, however lowly it may be, is that titles, album art and how good the physical cd looks is not worth a 3+ month wait. Sure, the mixes took longer than expected and WB has to make the most of this, and I'm sure they are the source of most - if not all - these waits (and Eisley just gets the crap for it), BUT I believe priorities are out of place. My belief is that if a musician/group wants to become as large as they can be and as successful as they can be (the vibe Eisley seems to be putting out as of late), pub and press is great, but the fans should come first. If I never got to hear the album myself, so be it, but if I could do anything to make the album come out even one month earlier I would do it for the fans and for the reputation of Eisley. I know this is horrible coming from someone who calls themself a "true fan" to bag on the process that I have no right to judge or be angry about because all I do is sit at my computer and complain, but nevertheless Laughing City is a place for fans to share opinions and thats what I do. I love Eisley, I will always love Eisley, but I think lately, the hype has grown worthless and many true-fans will lose their PASSION for Eisley. I believe the fans have been cheated on on this one. Ha, as I typed this, my friend told me this over AIM: :im not even excited about the cd anymore :thats whats funny :theyre so concerned about it being perfect :no one really gives a s--- (censored) :so long as it sounds good criticize his opinion and mine, but when it boils down to it, the sale of an album from you means the same as a sale of an album from me. |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:07 pm
and let me clarify one more thing before I am burned at the stake for posting this topic: it is not the WAIT that bothers me as much as how this album has come about. The "suspense" that has tried to have been created all seems as though it was one big lie now. |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:34 pm
Your impatience is understandable. But is it possible that you're wearing your own self out over the release of this album? Perhaps you're ruining the natural suspense that comes from awaiting something new by reading every thread, reading every journal, looking at every image, watching every video, listening to every audio clip, etc. Maybe you're immersed yourself in so much Eisley that you're tired of it... before you've even had a chance to actually hear the album. I sort of did the same with Room Noises. Don't get me wrong, I loved the album... but I had already heard most of the tracks in one form or another before the album was released. I've purposely avoided doing that this time around while keeping my attention on all the good music that has been released in the meantime. Aside from all that... I'm no artist, but I cannot see how any artist could feel good about not making the best work of art they possibly can. Artists should work toward perfection even if it's an impossibility. Trying to reach perfection could take a lifetime. I think a couple of years is a pretty good compromise. Naturally it's going to take longer for a band on a major record label to release an album than it would for a band recording out of their garage. The more money, technology, resources, staff, press... the longer it takes. Combine that art part... with the business part... and it's gonna take a while. I guess. What do I know though? _________________ "If you're a ninja, every day is like friday." -Jamie M. |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:10 pm
Hey madcat, thanks for sharing all of those honest feelings. I hope it was cathartic. I am not being sneakily sarcastic here, but you probably spent a good bit of time typing all of that, so I hope it made you feel a scoatch better. I don't have any inside info, and I'm also hit-or-miss when it comes to perception, but: I think Warner Bros. is truly responsible for pushing the record back, not the band themselves. Maybe the band expected the 'process' to go differently. I think Eisley would like to make a little moolah and possibly keep their record contract. So I can't hate. If it gets pushed back any further, I am just going to have to not think about it, read about it, etc. rmlawrence is absolutely correct in that regard. We build the anticipation up inside of ourselves. _________________ "The artist, like the God of creation, remains within or behind or beyond or above his handiwork, invisible, refined out of existence, indifferent, paring his fingernails."(J.Joyce) |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:18 pm
It honestly has not been that long ... Perhaps they are learning that you can't slap a date on something that's not finished. that goes for almost anything, though. There are so many factors going into an album, and until those are all set in stone and in action, there's not much that will be concrete. So they have probably learned that it's best to wait until things are truly ready to roll before putting some kind of date on things. Of course, they've never been concrete, and Boyd has always prefaced his predictions (in my memory). But this still seems so quick to me. I'm blessed with a little more insight than most people have gotten into this process, but there has to be a little understanding. The recording went splendidly fast, but that's only part of the process. Some bands take 2 or 3 years to make an album. Not everything works just knocking out two takes on a four-track. I promise nothing has happened that I know of (and, not to brag, but I know a little more than can be stated publicly) that is negative toward the band. Knowing what I know has only deepend my respect and love of this band. Seriously, I could have raised my arms and cheered at moments. This is an incredible album, and has deepend my respect for their integrity and their abilities. The last I heard, this album is set in stone, and the delays now are for setting the stage for its release. And honestly, a few months is pretty good considering the cover isn't even finished. That stuff takes a load of work (I should know, I'm a graphic designer, too). Not to mention the press, videos and timing of it all. If you spend as much time and money as it requires to make an album of this magnitude, you want to be able to listen to it and say "Hey, I like this." And you don't want to drop it just to get lost in the crowd. They have to live with thing and their actions with it for the rest of their lives. Room Noises' only issue was not that the band just wanted to perfect it. If that was the only problem, it would have been dramatically different. I can emphatically say that you should trust the band and Boyd on this one. "Combinations" left me stunned and amazed. I could hardly believe they pulled this kind of thing off. Like Boyd said: It's the next step of Eisley. The REAL Eisley. This was obscenely long, but I just had to say this. It can be edited if I let slip anything that shouldn't, but I don't think I did. So, yeah ... _________________ My photography:www.jamiemphoto.com You can't spell awesome without emo...backwards! -Julie definingawesome (11:44:11 PM): Eisley shivers our timbers |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:33 pm
rmlawrence wrote: Perhaps you're ruining the natural suspense that comes from awaiting something new by reading every thread, reading every journal, looking at every image, watching every video, listening to every audio clip, etc. Maybe you're immersed yourself in so much Eisley that you're tired of it... before you've even had a chance to actually hear the album. I definitely think there's a degree to which the members of Laughing City buy into the expectation. It's a lot easier to grow tired of waiting when you're pummeling yourself with band media. When we were close on the heels of the Memories video I remember visiting LC several times a day, wearing myself out each time hoping that it would be released. With this album I've pointedly tried not to do that. I've only become familiar with one of the new songs, and have actually been laying off the listening of other Eisley material to take my mind off of the new album. At this point I feel totally capable of waiting until whenever they feel is the best release date. If suspending it for a few months results in it being as good/successful as Eisley believes it can be, I think that's most important. But as rmlawrence said, the restlessness that some fans have been expressing is totally understandable. _________________ 
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:38 pm
it seems to me that it takes alot longer to make albums these days, I mean, Bob Dylan released seven albums in four years (from "Bob Dylan" in 1962 to "Blonde on Blonde" in 1966). _________________ Please, Missus Henry, Missus Henry, please! -Bob Dylan |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:00 pm
They want to make it the best it can possibly be because their futures depend on it. If it doesn't do so good, they could lose their contract and who knows, maybe end up working at Starbucks to make ends meet (well Sherri and Chauntelle don't have to worry about money, but the other 3 do). So they'd probably regret it if they didn't do everything they could to make this album the best that it can be. They want and need to succeed. _________________ I know how I was born and I know that I have no choice. I know it may not show on the color of my skin, but I know it’s in my heart and in my soul. –Sara Quin |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:18 pm
The launch date is out of the hands of the band at this point. The only worrisome thing about getting the album later rather than sooner is events that are out of the control of the band, spinning out. Boyd has alluded to bad things going down in "the industry". Could a regime change at WB put the album on hold indefinitely? August is the tentative date now but there are no guarantees. Hope for the best but prepare for the worst. "Taking Control" gives way to "Lost in Limbo"? With regard to the process, I can't honestly say I'm not tired of it. Horrified yes, but thoroughly entertained, due in no small part to Boyd's bloggings. I imagine it is excruciating for some who are expecting to be convulsing wildly on the floor with joy (the emotion not the girl) as they listen for the first time, but I'll remain like the Buddha (no not fat and sitting on my @ss) ... calm. Yes calm even when the Antirider is raising the level of expectations.  _________________ 
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:42 pm
I think as fans we should be respecting decisions they take. I have only a small incling on how the album is being made because of Boyd's journals. That keeps me going, and, whatever. There are more important things for us to get on with than worrying or stressing about when the album will be out. Yes, i'm still excited for it. I'm still as excited as when Boyd posted that song in his journal - can't remember what it was - in late 2005. (I only know this because I remember talking to someone else in the queue for Sigur Ros about Eisley's new album). Yes, my excitement waynes a little. But from the tracks i've heard, and I've heard fewer than many - i hadn't even heard of Come On or something till a recent thread, this is going to be something special. Something unique. The wait between Bamnam and Van Occupanther seemed a long time, and that was three years. As a fan, I'm not too annoyed about the release date getting put back and back. We have no idea why that is. Why get angry about it? But as a lover of their music I really want to hear Combinations. I'm slightly impatient.But i'm excited. And really, August isn't that far away. Heck, we're almost in exam season over here - English is three weeks away (English always is first)! Keep busy and keep focused on other things. Yes it can be anoying, but we're the ones who chose to get annoyed. _________________ She is handsome, she is pretty, she is the girl from Belfast City, she is courtin' one two three, please won't you tell me who is she? TheClassicRomance wrote: Facebook is a dirty skank blog! |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:58 am
TheAntrider wrote: If you spend as much time and money as it requires to make an album of this magnitude, you want to be able to listen to it and say "Hey, I like this." ... Like Boyd said: It's the next step of Eisley. The REAL Eisley. When I think of Eisley, I certainly don't think of a band of "magnitude." What do you mean by that term? Big expectations, big production? Both are big mistakes imo. Your first statement worries me greatly about the soul of this album. Why is so much time and money being put into an album that it's release's impact could measured in magnitude? Shouldn't Eisley be able to create the music they want to with only a liberal amount of both time and money? |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:12 am
BNROCKS wrote: TheAntrider wrote: If you spend as much time and money as it requires to make an album of this magnitude, you want to be able to listen to it and say "Hey, I like this." ... Like Boyd said: It's the next step of Eisley. The REAL Eisley. When I think of Eisley, I certainly don't think of a band of "magnitude." What do you mean by that term? Big expectations, big production? Both are big mistakes imo. Your first statement worries me greatly about the soul of this album. Why is so much time and money being put into an album that it's release's impact could measured in magnitude? Shouldn't Eisley be able to create the music they want to with only a liberal amount of both time and money? An album is a big deal, no matter how big. Maybe some bands just feel like tossing 10-20 songs together and calling it an album, but even casually making an album is a big undertaking. All the songwriting it takes to make songs, the hours of practice to be able to play the songs (almost any musician needs to practice), the sometimes grind of trying to get the parts right in the studio, toying with sonic nuances and countless possibilities in mixing (normal, for note), then even more of the same with mastering. And that's ignoring song slection, lyric writing, making sure each instrument's part is really right in the songs, trying out sounds for different instruments (which don't always sound like they do to the naked ear when in the studio), designing the album art that could make or break if someone actually even picks up the album or pays attention to it (a feat in itself) ... That's barely a glimpse of a few of things that go into even casually knocking out any album. That's why I use the word "magnitude." It's a load of work to make an album, even if the songs come together easily and quickly. And if this album can be summed up in any one word, it's only what the band wanted it to be. Which, in my opinion, makes it what it should be. This album in process and in sound is NOT Room Noises II. I heard a lot about things during that time and you could even tell by public comments that things were not entirely in the direction they wanted. People are ignoring the lines and lines of frustration that still came out then, and are only remembering the surface positivity instead. And honestly, I can't say the positivity was completely misplaced -- It's not the worst album ever. It's an album that could have been great that was instead good (or really good in spots) and disappointingly lacked some nice qualities that the band is so good at displaying. The first time I heard Room Noises vs. the first time (admittedly, still the only time) I heard Combinations are worlds apart. I was seriously giddy from the music on the new album. Giddy as a fan hearing the band he loves be not only the band he loves, but taking it to the next level of progression. It just made me happy because it was so right, to me at least. Being wordy I guess doesn't really make things clearer, though. It seems to just give more to read into ... sigh. _________________ My photography:www.jamiemphoto.com You can't spell awesome without emo...backwards! -Julie definingawesome (11:44:11 PM): Eisley shivers our timbers |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:19 am
Chris_Mulder wrote: it seems to me that it takes alot longer to make albums these days, I mean, Bob Dylan released seven albums in four years (from "Bob Dylan" in 1962 to "Blonde on Blonde" in 1966). It's not just Dylan, but also The Beatles and Hendrix. They pumped out good albums in a relatively short period--must have been the drugs. Back to the topic at hand, I remember what my seventh grade English teacher said towards the end of the school year "Live your life and take care of what has to be done now. Waiting only makes things take longer." _________________ Power is only pain It’s probably better to have him inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in. "Can we get control of an individual to the point where he will do our bidding against his will and even against fundamental laws of nature, such as self preservation?" -memo from 1952 Project ARTICHOKE 
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Post subject: Re: is anyone else Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:35 am
madcat2089 wrote: We have to be rational here, Eisley does not appeal to as large of an audience as the BEATLES once did(and still do) or some other rediculously huge band. That's an absurd comparison to make just to support your point that the album should be out by now. I don't think anyone who's not a signed musician has any concept of how long it really takes to get an album on the shelves after it's been recorded. Sure, Dylan made seven albums in four years, but how many pressings were there? How long did it take for mixes to be finalized and for masters to be made? How many different versions of the cover design needed approval/rejection? How much of the time between albums did Dylan spend on the road to support the releases? Technology and the record industry have changed drastically since the early sixties. Comparing a record released in 2007 to three artists nearly fifty years ago, especially when those are three of the most popular artists of all time, is unfair. If you'll recall, Room Noises's release date was delayed much longer than Combinations has been, so far. People crabbed about it then, too, and when the album was finally released everyone forgot all about it. Sophomore albums are extremely important for most artists--vital, even. That's when you start to recoup the debt you made on your first album and prove to the label and the world that you're worth keeping. If it were within the band's power (and it's not) to release Combinations now, would they do it if it's not the absolute best it can possibly be? I hope not. There's an awful lot riding on it. _________________ INTELLECT AND ROMANCE OVER BRUTE FORCE AND CYNICISM Smokemonster |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:37 am
In the 60s, bands were forced to churn out albums. They were always working on something, or they might just get dropped. Some of the time, though, it resulted in great albums. Bands today are forced to take their time. It's all about release dates, building buzz and word of mouth. Studios will make bands polish records until they are "perfect" technically. If an album even slips a little, they might just get dropped. Some of the time, though, it results in great albums. _________________ Scriptozoology, a screenwriting blog .. Facebook |
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