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 Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:21 am 
I'm sure some of you know this, but mixing for broadcast is insanely difficult. It's not just as easy as "turn this up" or "turn that down." Every decision you make in the mix impacts infinitely more things than in a normal mix. I think the guy that mixed it was amazing. Yeah, the guitars weren't loud enough, and the vocals were too dry, but given how crazy difficult broadcast mixing is, I have nothing but respect for that guy. Also, I have a game plan for making sure that the vocals are way better the next time we do a late night TV show. There are things we can do to make the broadcast mixer's job easier. This was the first time; it was a learning experience for us. We'll keep improving things. -Mark |
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:35 pm
Kappa962 wrote: Also, I have a game plan for making sure that the vocals are way better the next time we do a late night TV show. Tracks. I keed, I keed... _________________ "The revolution starts today, not tomorrow." :: got g-Love? |
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:39 pm
Kappa962 wrote: I'm sure some of you know this, but mixing for broadcast is insanely difficult. It's not just as easy as "turn this up" or "turn that down." Every decision you make in the mix impacts infinitely more things than in a normal mix. I think the guy that mixed it was amazing. Yeah, the guitars weren't loud enough, and the vocals were too dry, but given how crazy difficult broadcast mixing is, I have nothing but respect for that guy.
Also, I have a game plan for making sure that the vocals are way better the next time we do a late night TV show. There are things we can do to make the broadcast mixer's job easier. This was the first time; it was a learning experience for us. We'll keep improving things. -Mark It did sound really good for live TV. _________________ INTELLECT AND ROMANCE OVER BRUTE FORCE AND CYNICISM Smokemonster |
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:18 pm
gRegor wrote: Kappa962 wrote: Also, I have a game plan for making sure that the vocals are way better the next time we do a late night TV show. Tracks. I keed, I keed... I want to see Stacy do the panic jig.  _________________ My photography:www.jamiemphoto.com You can't spell awesome without emo...backwards! -Julie definingawesome (11:44:11 PM): Eisley shivers our timbers |
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:33 pm
TheAntrider wrote: gRegor wrote: Kappa962 wrote: Also, I have a game plan for making sure that the vocals are way better the next time we do a late night TV show. Tracks. I keed, I keed... I want to see Stacy do the panic jig. And then blame Chauntelle, Garron, and Weston for playing the wrong song.  _________________ INTELLECT AND ROMANCE OVER BRUTE FORCE AND CYNICISM Smokemonster |
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:55 pm
Saellys wrote: TheAntrider wrote: gRegor wrote: Kappa962 wrote: Also, I have a game plan for making sure that the vocals are way better the next time we do a late night TV show. Tracks. I keed, I keed... I want to see Stacy do the panic jig. And then blame Chauntelle, Garron, and Weston for playing the wrong song. _________________ 
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:19 pm
Saellys wrote: TheAntrider wrote: gRegor wrote: Kappa962 wrote: Also, I have a game plan for making sure that the vocals are way better the next time we do a late night TV show. Tracks. I keed, I keed... I want to see Stacy do the panic jig. And then blame Chauntelle, Garron, and Weston for playing the wrong song. Then she dates a talentless egomaniac. _________________ Power is only pain It’s probably better to have him inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in. "Can we get control of an individual to the point where he will do our bidding against his will and even against fundamental laws of nature, such as self preservation?" -memo from 1952 Project ARTICHOKE 
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Post subject: I forgot all about it. Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:51 pm
Hopefully the Conan show will either pop up on YouTube or I'll have to wait for the rerun. I totally forgot about it on Thursday night. |
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Post subject: Re: I forgot all about it. Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 4:07 pm
JSL wrote: Hopefully the Conan show will either pop up on YouTube or I'll have to wait for the rerun. I totally forgot about it on Thursday night. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq9EdR250gg |
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Post subject: Thanks Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 4:12 pm
I'll check it out. |
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Post subject: Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 4:16 pm
Kappa962 wrote: I'm sure some of you know this, but mixing for broadcast is insanely difficult. It's not just as easy as "turn this up" or "turn that down." Every decision you make in the mix impacts infinitely more things than in a normal mix. I think the guy that mixed it was amazing. Yeah, the guitars weren't loud enough, and the vocals were too dry, but given how crazy difficult broadcast mixing is, I have nothing but respect for that guy.
Also, I have a game plan for making sure that the vocals are way better the next time we do a late night TV show. There are things we can do to make the broadcast mixer's job easier. This was the first time; it was a learning experience for us. We'll keep improving things. -Mark What exactly makes it difficult? (not doubting, just curious.) Mixing with crappy TV speakers in mind? Different sort of audio sent through antennas? I have no idea. _________________ EisleyForever wrote: you're A-list in my heart! MAKECOLDPLAYHISTORY |
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Post subject: Good performance Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 4:21 pm
The band looked a bit nervous but they still turned in a very good performance. |
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Post subject: Da sound.... Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 4:30 pm
Ok, posts by people in the know (sound-wise) have swayed me to think the sound guy did pretty well, all things considered. Like Mark said, it was a learning experience. Next time it'll probably sound much better (not that it was bad this go around). Now, who's show will they play on next? That is the question.... P. _________________ "Enjoy Every Sandwich" - Warren Zevon "What's Life Without Music?" - The Mermaid Purse www.myspace.com/ptah |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:30 am
DRMS_7888 wrote: What exactly makes it difficult? (not doubting, just curious.)
Mixing with crappy TV speakers in mind? Different sort of audio sent through antennas? I have no idea. The main problem with mixing for broadcast is the fact that your output volume has a very narrow range where it can be. If you ever get above digital zero, the limiter will start clamping down, ruining the sound, and you lose your job. If you stay too far away from digital zero the mix is too quiet, and you lose your job. Also, apart from hard limiting/digital clipping, there is all manner of multiband compression on the mix that has to be thought about with every mix decision. I'm sure there are a great deal more things involved, but those are some of the main ones that I am aware of. Basically, there's just an enormous number of things that have to be balanced in your brain simultaneously, and I'm impressed that anyone can do it even remotely well. The band only did two run-throughs for sound check. I would imagine that if there were time to sound check longer, most of the problems would have been solved. It's really hard to pull a mix together fast, especially when you have so many parts of the audio signal path to think about at the same time. I'm sure many people on this forum have heard me struggling with trying to put a mix together in a small amount of time on shows when Eisley is opening. |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:16 am
I enjoyed the rhythmic variations of the vocal melodies. Vocal harmonies were nice as well. Good performance.  _________________ 
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