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Have you ever thought about being with someone of the same sex?
Sure, it's only natural to have thought about it.
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No! Never!
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I don't think so...
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Pantheon4
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In the current state of our culture, we practically force people to at least think "Are you really 'straight'?"--even if you are not gay or bisexual.

I remember seeing this thing where an openly 'gay' man, fell in love with a girl and got married and had a kid with her. And he still thought of himself as 'gay'. There was this person was trying her damnedest to make him live his life as a gay man... ya' know the way she thought of gays should live. I think there is a lot more pressure in common culture for men who have had 'gay thoughts' and 'gay experiences' to identify themselves as just gay... instead of bisexual. I think at least one reason why so many men refrain from identifying themselves as 'bisexual' is because that there is a certain subversive connotation with it. This is probably why you see so many male musicians and artists that think of themselves that way. Where as lately 'gay' has become more mainstream or at least understood.

Culturally speaking there have almost always been less restrictions on women when it comes to homosexuality. If you really want to get down to it the reason why 'gay=EVIL' to a lot of people is because some people consider it a dereliction of masculine duty. Which is really sexist, when you think about it. You know a man 'becomes' acts like the 'lesser sex'. So since they're already women, who cares? That is not to say that lesbians and bisexual women don't have their struggles to overcome.

Most of these distinctions are largely cultural in nature. I mean in the days of the Athenian democracy young men were expected to 'practice' sex with older men before getting married. Thebes had the Sacred Band of Thebes, which was an elite fighting force that consisted of all gay couples. The thought was that the soldiers would fight more fiercely for their lovers than if they were just comrades. And just for your information they beat the Spartans. While in the Bible it says that basically any sex act with another man is immoral. But if you look at the reason why, you see that's because the other people around them did it. (I know, I'm getting a little off topic, but I love how the Torah acts like a cultural guide for the Hebrews and Shebrews. It tells them their history, cosmology, what to eat, how to dress, et cetera.)

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ghost in the snow wrote:
i've met multiple women who say they're bisexual, even if they aren't, because they know it turns men on. i find that absolutely ridiculous.


Would you say this is different from anything else a women would do to turn a boyfriend on? Also, is it the same as a women doing anything she wouldn't normally do to get a guy?
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Pantheon4 wrote:
Most of these distinctions are largely cultural in nature. I mean in the days of the Athenian democracy young men were expected to 'practice' sex with older men before getting married. Thebes had the Sacred Band of Thebes, which was an elite fighting force that consisted of all gay couples. The thought was that the soldiers would fight more fiercely for their lovers than if they were just comrades. And just for your information they beat the Spartans. While in the Bible it says that basically any sex act with another man is immoral. But if you look at the reason why, you see that's because the other people around them did it. (I know, I'm getting a little off topic, but I love how the Torah acts like a cultural guide for the Hebrews and Shebrews. It tells them their history, cosmology, what to eat, how to dress, et cetera.)



I have to disagree with this point. It may be true that other people were practising homosexuality, i'm not disputing that. But it's practising homosexuality is a sin.
God saw that man was alone, and this was not good. If he meant two men to be together, surely he would make for Adam another man. So he created a what? a woman.
That is why we find Paul using the word "natural" in his letter to the Romans, Rmns 1 Vs 27/27: "...the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other."

I see nothing to do with the reason being because other cultures practiced homosexuality. Confused

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Of course i've thought about it. I think it would be weird not to ever think of it. I bet everyone has thought of it as a child during the stages of psychosexual development. Besides, it's come up in general conversation multiple times over the years.

And i agree with what some people have said. In my experiences, bisexual guys i know (not that many, might i add) are seen as just gay, whereas it's ok for a woman to like both sexes. But for men, just liking the same sex makes you gay (regardless of whether they also like women). It's annoying, but true in some cases. And nowadays I've been noticing that people seem to think any guy that is single is gay...until proven straight.
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mad_sam_purple'ead wrote:
Pantheon4 wrote:
Most of these distinctions are largely cultural in nature. I mean in the days of the Athenian democracy young men were expected to 'practice' sex with older men before getting married. Thebes had the Sacred Band of Thebes, which was an elite fighting force that consisted of all gay couples. The thought was that the soldiers would fight more fiercely for their lovers than if they were just comrades. And just for your information they beat the Spartans. While in the Bible it says that basically any sex act with another man is immoral. But if you look at the reason why, you see that's because the other people around them did it. (I know, I'm getting a little off topic, but I love how the Torah acts like a cultural guide for the Hebrews and Shebrews. It tells them their history, cosmology, what to eat, how to dress, et cetera.)


I have to disagree with this point. It may be true that other people were practising homosexuality, i'm not disputing that. But it's practising homosexuality is a sin.
God saw that man was alone, and this was not good. If he meant two men to be together, surely he would make for Adam another man. So he created a what? a woman.
That is why we find Paul using the word "natural" in his letter to the Romans, Rmns 1 Vs 27/27: "...the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other."

I see nothing to do with the reason being because other cultures practiced homosexuality. Confused


"You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices." Leviticus 18:3

" 'Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled." Leviticus 18:24

If you take GOD out of it, I know how messed up that sounds, but follow me...if you look at it from an archeological/anthropological perspective, the need for an distinct Hebrew culture seems to be the reason why. Like I said in the small font, I find it amazing how they constructed a culture and put it in writing. It's not like you can pick a book on Americans and say, "This IS what it means to be an American. This is what Americans should do. This is how Americans should act. This is what Americans should believe. This is how Americans should dress. This is what Americans should eat."

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BNROCKS wrote:
ghost in the snow wrote:
i've met multiple women who say they're bisexual, even if they aren't, because they know it turns men on. i find that absolutely ridiculous.


Would you say this is different from anything else a women would do to turn a boyfriend on? Also, is it the same as a women doing anything she wouldn't normally do to get a guy?


Yes, it's different because it's offensive to women who really are bisexual.
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ghost in the snow wrote:
BNROCKS wrote:
ghost in the snow wrote:
i've met multiple women who say they're bisexual, even if they aren't, because they know it turns men on. i find that absolutely ridiculous.


Would you say this is different from anything else a women would do to turn a boyfriend on? Also, is it the same as a women doing anything she wouldn't normally do to get a guy?


Yes, it's different because it's offensive to women who really are bisexual.


Agreed. Sexual orientation is still a controversial and misunderstood topic, and people who pretend to be bi when they're really straight just complicate the issue unnecessarily.

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mad_sam_purple'ead wrote:
Pantheon4 wrote:
Most of these distinctions are largely cultural in nature. I mean in the days of the Athenian democracy young men were expected to 'practice' sex with older men before getting married. Thebes had the Sacred Band of Thebes, which was an elite fighting force that consisted of all gay couples. The thought was that the soldiers would fight more fiercely for their lovers than if they were just comrades. And just for your information they beat the Spartans. While in the Bible it says that basically any sex act with another man is immoral. But if you look at the reason why, you see that's because the other people around them did it. (I know, I'm getting a little off topic, but I love how the Torah acts like a cultural guide for the Hebrews and Shebrews. It tells them their history, cosmology, what to eat, how to dress, et cetera.)



I have to disagree with this point. It may be true that other people were practising homosexuality, i'm not disputing that. But it's practising homosexuality is a sin.
God saw that man was alone, and this was not good. If he meant two men to be together, surely he would make for Adam another man. So he created a what? a woman.
That is why we find Paul using the word "natural" in his letter to the Romans, Rmns 1 Vs 27/27: "...the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other."

I see nothing to do with the reason being because other cultures practiced homosexuality. Confused


The thing about the Anthenian culture is that they practiced pederasty which wasn't and isn't like the physical homosexual relationships that we see today. It is true that pederasty was a physical relationship between an elder man and a young male but it was without penetration. To further information, pederasty did not continue throughout the entire lifetime of a boy, and was highly looked down upon if the relationship persisted after the boy grew into manhood. Read the Symposium by Socrates, it does a pretty good job explaining the most noble form of love for the time. Now to bring God into it, Christianity became a widely practiced religion during the age of the Romans in a time where pederasty was a widely practiced act, where by going against a social norm, the religion made a name for itself. See I think the problem with the bible is that we try to interpret it in a common culture where by looking at the verse saying that man should not lie with another man as he should with a woman, is combated with the upcoming gay movement not how life was thousands of years ago.
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Now as for bi-sexuality in males and the reason why it is far less common is the fact that I believe that our culture dictates two extremes, one being "You are a man, so be a man" and the other stating that if you show the slightest form of weakness you are a woman. It doesn't effectively distinguish a middle ground for one to practice both without being labeled towards one extreme. Granted the times are widening now where its more acceptable for a man to be openly emotional but still daily we are pounded with the idea that a man has to be tough and females empathetic. Now as for female bi-sexualism I believe the reason for that being more widely accepted relies mainly on the pornographic industry where being a male dominated industry, and the fact that it is mainly made for the male population, lesbianism portrayed within its viewing brings a sort of mystique to the table in ways that being a male wouldn't mind seeing. I know pornography is a pretty risque example but we live in a world now that everything is dominated by sexual acts, whether it be the internet that is made of more than 50% pornographic images, or the movies that we see that portray sexual relations between man and woman, woman and woman or man and man we learn to accept differences on a social level. In other words, no one in their lifetime has not been exposed to these types of things. I myself am not a fan of the homosexual relationship but I don't believe that they should be denied the fact that they feel that way based on the religious interpretations of a select group.
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Rb wrote:
mad_sam_purple'ead wrote:
Pantheon4 wrote:
Most of these distinctions are largely cultural in nature. I mean in the days of the Athenian democracy young men were expected to 'practice' sex with older men before getting married. Thebes had the Sacred Band of Thebes, which was an elite fighting force that consisted of all gay couples. The thought was that the soldiers would fight more fiercely for their lovers than if they were just comrades. And just for your information they beat the Spartans. While in the Bible it says that basically any sex act with another man is immoral. But if you look at the reason why, you see that's because the other people around them did it. (I know, I'm getting a little off topic, but I love how the Torah acts like a cultural guide for the Hebrews and Shebrews. It tells them their history, cosmology, what to eat, how to dress, et cetera.)



I have to disagree with this point. It may be true that other people were practising homosexuality, i'm not disputing that. But it's practising homosexuality is a sin.
God saw that man was alone, and this was not good. If he meant two men to be together, surely he would make for Adam another man. So he created a what? a woman.
That is why we find Paul using the word "natural" in his letter to the Romans, Rmns 1 Vs 27/27: "...the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other."

I see nothing to do with the reason being because other cultures practiced homosexuality. Confused


The thing about the Anthenian culture is that they practiced pederasty which wasn't and isn't like the physical homosexual relationships that we see today. It is true that pederasty was a physical relationship between an elder man and a young male but it was without penetration. To further information, pederasty did not continue throughout the entire lifetime of a boy, and was highly looked down upon if the relationship persisted after the boy grew into manhood. Read the Symposium by Socrates, it does a pretty good job explaining the most noble form of love for the time. Now to bring God into it, Christianity became a widely practiced religion during the age of the Romans in a time where pederasty was a widely practiced act, where by going against a social norm, the religion made a name for itself. See I think the problem with the bible is that we try to interpret it in a common culture where by looking at the verse saying that man should not lie with another man as he should with a woman, is combated with the upcoming gay movement not how life was thousands of years ago.


First of all, Plato wrote the Symposium, not Socrates-- Socrates was probably illiterate write. Wink

I put practice in quotation marks because I knew that it wasn't really what most people think of when they think 'gay sex'. But one of the purposes of it was that being a good lover was important in most if not all ancient Hellenic societies.

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At some point I think it crosses everyone's mind. Like "Hm, could I?" but for me the second thought was "Um, no!" hah. I love me some hotJohnMayerguys. Smile

I knew that would say John Mayer before I clicked it. Hahha.

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My theory is that women are just objectively more attractive than men so it is easier for girls to be attracted to other girls. I mean, seriously, guys are kind of gross looking. Even the allegedly attractive ones.

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Pantheon4 wrote:


First of all, Plato wrote the Symposium, not Socrates-- Socrates was probably illiterate write. Wink



Oi, was thinking of Socrates' chapter within it, whoops!
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ilitherian wrote:
My theory is that women are just objectively more attractive than men so it is easier for girls to be attracted to other girls. I mean, seriously, guys are kind of gross looking. Even the allegedly attractive ones.

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ilitherian wrote:
My theory is that women are just objectively more attractive than men so it is easier for girls to be attracted to other girls. I mean, seriously, guys are kind of gross looking. Even the allegedly attractive ones.

love,
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So true, so true. I'm guessing you're straight?

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