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 Post subject: Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 2:58 am 
I don't think there was ever a threat to lock the thread. I was the one who first mentioned that it was gracious of Kim or Boyd not to lock it, as 'Cleveland's Finest' insulted them directly with his criticism and projection of certain assumptions about their personal lives and business affairs, which they stated were off-base and incorrect. I thought it would be justified to close the thread due to the false claims made, very personal ones at that, because it imposes on them to either stomach the insult and address/ correct the errors, or hold their tongues while a conversation about their personal and financial lives is carried on based on one person's inaccurate perception. The resulting snowball effect of speculation and missperceptions just gets bigger and muddier along the way. So, the thread locking thing was my idea, no Moderator threats ever surfaced that I saw. And regardless, web is public, but this domain and its contents are private property, as long as no laws are broken, they can do as the please. Love it or leave it. _________________ yup, that's my name. FOR YOUR RATING PLEASURE: 4 LIKE Buttons, 1 NEUTRAL, 1 VEXED, 5 DISLIKE buttons. LC > FB           
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Post subject: Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 3:06 am
tahruh wrote: Maybe Eisley shouldn't wear booty shorts around town, but if they want to, they don't deserve having some creep peer through their windows as a consequence! I agree with pretty much everything you've said in this thread, but I'd boil it down to this. 
In the end, I enjoy the Eisley community. I think the overwhelming majority of their fans do. If someone wants to log on and shake things up a bit every now and then, cool. I personally rarely feel as though there is oversharing in this community. It's elsewhere on the internet that it's out of control. _________________ "The artist, like the God of creation, remains within or behind or beyond or above his handiwork, invisible, refined out of existence, indifferent, paring his fingernails."(J.Joyce) |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 3:09 am
^^^that's sweet, cause the only other places i've ever read about Eisley online are allmusic.com and wikipedia.org I am blissfully ignorant of anything that isn't announced by Boyd, or in a journal entry. Is that uncommon? _________________ yup, that's my name. FOR YOUR RATING PLEASURE: 4 LIKE Buttons, 1 NEUTRAL, 1 VEXED, 5 DISLIKE buttons. LC > FB
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Post subject: Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 3:16 am
wilsmith wrote: ^^^that's sweet, cause the only other places i've ever read about Eisley online are allmusic.com and wikipedia.org I am blissfully ignorant of anything that isn't announced by Boyd, or in a journal entry. Is that uncommon? I don't know if it's uncommon, but it is fortunate. Like tahruh said, it's mainly other bands' fan communities speculating and hopping amongst conclusions, along with some music news sites, the odd gossip site or two...I think the blogs and info posted here are pretty casual, friendly, conversational. _________________ "The artist, like the God of creation, remains within or behind or beyond or above his handiwork, invisible, refined out of existence, indifferent, paring his fingernails."(J.Joyce) |
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Joined: 18 Dec 2004 | Posts: 339 | Location: never give up and good luck will find you.
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Post subject: Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 3:28 am
wilsmith wrote: So, the thread locking thing was my idea, no Moderator threats ever surfaced that I saw. And regardless, web is public, but this domain and its contents are private property, as long as no laws are broken, they can do as the please. Love it or leave it. agreed. which is why I said what I said. That it would be a shame if they locked it. I have been privy to many a thread that was locked way before I thought it needed to be because of what you said (not what you said in threads that closed. what you said ^^). _________________ Wil's excellent description of me. wilsmith wrote: You're the Anti-Censorship+Topless Twitpic Parodying+Youth Group Video Directing guy that's a champion for the 1st amendment, Videogames as Art, and unrepentant file sharing... Instagram - Facebook - Twitter - YouTube |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 5:59 am
Reasons stand behind actions. Piperjay, you don't know their reasons. My suggestion to you is: talk to them before posting what you "think" about them. Otherwise, you'll get a whole bunch of mad Eisley fans started...Just a thought. _________________ *SHIKIS |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 6:07 am
i'm gonna be honest and say that i didn't even read the whole original post because it made me so mad... i just came to say "Gee, thanks for giving Ohio a bad name". Just so you people know... not all Ohioans are rude and assuming. |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 6:11 am
amandamae wrote: i'm gonna be honest and say that i didn't even read the whole original post because it made me so mad... i just came to say "Gee, thanks for giving Ohio a bad name". Just so you people know... not all Ohioans are rude and assuming. I am _________________ Power is only pain It’s probably better to have him inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in. "Can we get control of an individual to the point where he will do our bidding against his will and even against fundamental laws of nature, such as self preservation?" -memo from 1952 Project ARTICHOKE 
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Post subject: Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 6:16 am
Pantheon4 wrote: amandamae wrote: i'm gonna be honest and say that i didn't even read the whole original post because it made me so mad... i just came to say "Gee, thanks for giving Ohio a bad name". Just so you people know... not all Ohioans are rude and assuming. I am at least you're honest  jk
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Post subject: Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 6:22 am
TheClassicRomance wrote: I'm just going to say that one of the reasons I love Eisley so much is the fact that they are comfortable enough and friendly enough with their fans to share things about themselves and their lives.I think,if anything, it shows maturity. They are getting away from the petulant "That's my life! This is just my music." rockstar thing. I'm not sure why this is a "rockstar thing" and, by extension, a bad thing. There needs to be a line between what's presented for public consumption (the music) and what's preserved as private (the life). Mingle them excessively and you'll go nuts. Example: I know next to nothing about Thom Yorke's life. He's got two kids with his girlfriend and they live somewhere in Oxfordshire and visit the Oxford natural history museum on Sundays (meaning I missed them by ONE DAY when I was in England, but I'm not bitter). I learned all that from published interviews. Radiohead's blog has some pictures from tour, occasional "office" charts of what the band is listening to, and a fair amount of political news posts. Never have any of the band members posted anything as extensive about the minutiae of their lives as what we see from Boyd, Sherri, or even Stacy on a relatively regular basis. This is not a bad thing. Maybe if I'd started listening to Radiohead at the same stage in their career as I started listening to Eisley, I would know Ed's cousins' names. I might even have Thom's street address, and I could have skipped the natural history museum and just camped out on his doorstep for an afternoon. But I don't think that would be the case, because the Internet didn't exist in any meaningful way when Radiohead were starting out. Again, it's not a bad thing that I don't know anywhere near as much about Thom Yorke's life as I do about the DuPrees'. He's a private individual who has a right to live his own life however he damn well pleases without anyone watching or expecting to be updated on every new development. Moreover, I find that in the absence of a glut of information, I do not care to know that much about his life. I care about Thom Yorke, of course, and want him to have an enjoyable life and keep making great music, but I neither expect nor want the kind of information I get from Eisley. I am perfectly content with the music (and content to wait until I get famous and Thom and I become BFFs). The lack of constant updates does not make Thom Yorke a bad person, or even a stereotypical aloof rock star. If anything, I relate to him more because he's so private. I wouldn't put it all out there if I were in his position, either. A person's life and a person's music are two very different things (even though songs can be extremely personal). It should be a person's choice to present either or both of them publicly, and if they choose not to it should not be regarded as a "rockstar thing". _________________ INTELLECT AND ROMANCE OVER BRUTE FORCE AND CYNICISM Smokemonster |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 6:24 am
I have to say, it would have been nice to have had piperjay pm us about the things he perceived before blowing those chunks. We're grownups so no real harm done....it just would have been better to avoid the misconceptions. I honestly think we are pretty numb to a lot of things these days after what we have been through this past year and a half. Survival is more on our front burner rather than fending off "well meaning" advice from a person that does not really know how our life really is. Again...no real harm done. As for his critique about the band...he has a right to his opinion. Those of you that have been around here for some time know my two favorite sayings. If not, here is a reminder: "Even a fool when he is silent is thought to be wise" and "Opinions are like _______ (fill in the blank), everybody has one and they all stink." It is our nature to have opinions about everything. It's also ok to express those opinions and I do believe PJ had the best intentions. At least I think he did.
As for our openness...I don't know that we can be any different. We feel like we are no different than the next person and experiences in life, (good or bad), when shared, can help the next person. He doesn't deserve to be pounded any more than we deserved some of his well meaning advice but there has been no crime here. It's just thoughts and words on the internet. Let's move on.
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Post subject: Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 6:48 am
I will shut up about this, after this one last volley. Saellys wrote: Example: I know next to nothing about Thom Yorke's life. He's got two kids with his girlfriend and they live somewhere in Oxfordshire and visit the Oxford natural history museum on Sundays (meaning I missed them by ONE DAY when I was in England, but I'm not bitter). I learned all that from published interviews. Radiohead's blog has some pictures from tour, occasional "office" charts of what the band is listening to, and a fair amount of political news posts. Maybe if I'd started listening to Radiohead at the same stage in their career as I started listening to Eisley, I would know Ed's cousins' names. I might even have Thom's street address, and I could have skipped the natural history museum and just camped out on his doorstep for an afternoon. But I don't think that would be the case, because the Internet didn't exist in any meaningful way when Radiohead were starting out. You already know WAY more about his private life than I do based on what you just shared...
There are plenty of books full of interviews from that period in their career published, and archives of interviews and the like, so the medium is different, but the content is still out there for public consumption and discussion. I remember how there used to be all this silly talk about Thom's eye, and whether it was true they rerecorded the album version of Fake Plastic Trees after seeing Jeff Buckley play one night... I never bothered to dig deeper, and didn't realize they had a feature article in Rollingstone a year and a half ago until a friend handed it to me earlier this year. If I read NME or any of those mags I'm sure I'd know more. I also checked out one of those Biographies that starts with Thom's life story from childhood, and was too lazy to read it. Besides that I think even when people are disclosing, we have no idea what they are keeping to themselves. What seems like revelations to US, my just be scratching the surface for them... But I get where you are coming from as far as an individuals privacy being a natural/ reasonable thing to aspire towards. I can't say I 100% Celebrity and Privacy can coexist in harmony. I don't think any person has the power to assert when and how a person can take an interest in them from a distance. That's sort of fascist: "Love me... support me... relate to me... but mind your own business!" Not saying you're going to that extreme, but in the extreme that's how it manifests. And as far as Ohio goes... Thanks alot for 2004 guys... but hey, you did okay in 2008, so it's all good. Breeders Tori Amos Trent Reznor Guided By Voices 75% good actually JP and Trent have a similar temperament... http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/05/07/trent-rezno r-swipes-at-prince-rivers-cuomo-in-fan-interview/ _________________ yup, that's my name. FOR YOUR RATING PLEASURE: 4 LIKE Buttons, 1 NEUTRAL, 1 VEXED, 5 DISLIKE buttons. LC > FB
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Post subject: Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 7:23 am
I apologize for how rough my post may have sounded. I didn't mean to offend anyone or imply that the OP had no right to an opinion. I didn't honestly think people would really pay attention to it. I truly mean that. The OP has every right to an opinion about the band's public stuff. That's why when I said stuff about the band-aspect of the post, I said "In my opinion." I just meant to point out that judging the band on a personal 'Why don't you have health insurance?!" level is unfair. As for the rockstar comment that made everyone mad- I wasn't saying anything bad about rockstars,okay? I think I said it the wrong way. It didn't exactly come out how I meant it. I just meant to say that I like that Eisley shares more than the typical band. That's all. I didn't mean to offend anyone, or insult rockstars anywhere. I'm truly sorry if I upset anyone by my earlier post. |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 7:35 am
Oh you just made Hannah mad. And that is really easy to do
I kid I kid Hannah please don't hurt me. I bruise easy _________________ Wil's excellent description of me. wilsmith wrote: You're the Anti-Censorship+Topless Twitpic Parodying+Youth Group Video Directing guy that's a champion for the 1st amendment, Videogames as Art, and unrepentant file sharing... Instagram - Facebook - Twitter - YouTube |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 7:37 am
TheClassicRomance wrote: As for the rockstar comment that made everyone mad- I wasn't saying anything bad about rockstars,okay? I think I said it the wrong way. It didn't exactly come out how I meant it. I just meant to say that I like that Eisley shares more than the typical band. That's all. I didn't mean to offend anyone, or insult rockstars anywhere.
I'm truly sorry if I upset anyone by my earlier post. I think only two people contested the Rock Star thing... not everyone, it's muddy water, and I agreed with your point, while respecting the others.. and I think there were a few other posters in that camp with you. And personally, I took it as the version of Rock Star that looks and Acts more like a egotistical prick than a simple rock musician. I think the best example, and I like songs by both bands and artists, would be: Liam and Noel Gallagher Billy Corgan They are not exclusively, and limited to being egotistical pricks, but they have tried on those costumes from time to time and found that they fit pretty well. You set a good example with your apology, unless it's duplicitous and passive aggressive?? You never know with people these days... they say they are doing one thing and it turns out to be something else completely in the end... _________________ yup, that's my name. FOR YOUR RATING PLEASURE: 4 LIKE Buttons, 1 NEUTRAL, 1 VEXED, 5 DISLIKE buttons. LC > FB
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