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 Post subject: Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:03 pm 
Cosmic Love wrote: Whoa guys, Eisley fans using Eisley's music to make in their own art without charging people to view it?
Not unlike a certain show choir performance, a fan-made music video or a whole slew of fan illustrations. It's weird that none of those things have been as fiercely rejected by fans or has received nearly as much flame as this even though it's basically the same thing. Sure you can dislike a fan-made video with a Sherri look-alike all you want but who among us starts a stupid war of words over it? When I first heard it I wasn't exactly thrilled. I flew into something of a semi-rage over the lack of Eisley credit in the video description. But seriously Eisley fans? If someone's Eisley tribute isn't exactly your cup of tea musically then why are you wasting your time hating on it? The track has kind of grown on me. I'll admit it. I'm defending it. No one is demanding you like it, but it was made by a FAN and it's causing no detriment to Eisley by existing. That alone should be enough to treat it with civility. Now go outside. You're right. I can't say I like the song, and it *feels* wrong, but this girl is clearly distraught, and I think we should try and be nice. (on the forum, at least.) To E.M. Ricchini: please remember this isn't personal. The contrast between Eisley and your boyfriend's musical style is just so stark, that it's hard not to laugh, at first. He has talent, for sure.  _________________ You can't find love; you have to create it. Flickr |
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:06 pm
cosmic love wrote: flew into something of a semi-rage over the lack of Eisley credit in the video description cosmic love wrote: Now go outside. And don't worry about our hypercane, I mean TROPICAL STORM.  I lived on a barrier island and didn't evacuate for a category 3! Not that I'd recommend that, but the fear-mongering has been out of control.
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 1:36 pm
What?! Some haters be hatin'? Step off and start abatin gotta make a rhyme for this time start elevatin' So be very kind and you won't mind if the posers and the losers be dissin song abusers.. word! ..or something I'm stupid. But really I feel bad her feelings got hurt. I figured he was an Eisley fan and would see the negative reactions but also expect them. It's drastic but the DuPree ladies have lent their voices to other types of music before too. Well I dunno, blah wilsmith wrote: Hey, it's a step up from the other song that was posted asking for feedback with a sample , remember that one, it was more of an aesop rock I Love College type tune, party rockin' weed & chicks care free / frat approved rap.
This guy comes off like he takes his craft as an mc seriously and he has a strong, if derivative, delivery. Yeah I think the other song was like a semi-joke. I'm not sure but it may have been a guy that used to post alot and he did the music for the death metal version of Lady of the Wood. I liked that, the treatment worked really well for that song, was badass. _________________ 
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Post subject: Re: You are all absolutely disgusting. Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:07 pm
owlrika wrote: Now, as for royalties, OF COURSE they would pay Eisley... that is, if they were making any money off of it. Which they're not. Because the Mixtape is being released for free. And to be truthful, the release of this single coincided with the release of The Valley in order to generate interest in Eisley in a different crowd of people, which ended up working. People who wouldn't have heard of them checked them out after the track dropped and liked them. So yeah, they got free exposure. Anything to help the girls and guys out. When it was released and we were spreading the word, we included Eisley in everything that we posted. Cool story bro, but that's not how royalties work. "Ambulance" was not released under a Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike license, and Eisley are still entitled to payment for the use of their material, whether or not the samplers intend or hope to ever make money from what they create with it, and regardless of the intent to give Eisley "free exposure". (That would almost be a valid argument, if they had bothered to credit Eisley in the description of that YouTube video, which 76,000 people have now seen. Sorry, a tag's not good enough.) For a bone-chilling tale of just how much you can get hosed for sampling someone else's work (even with their permission!), go read up on how the Rolling Stones treated The Verve. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bittersweet_Symphony_(Song) _________________ INTELLECT AND ROMANCE OVER BRUTE FORCE AND CYNICISM Smokemonster |
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 2:11 pm
cynlovescandy wrote: To E.M. Ricchini: please remember this isn't personal. The contrast between Eisley and your boyfriend's musical style is just so stark, that it's hard not to laugh, at first. He has talent, for sure. I agree. I don't think it's bad or anything, really. It just kind of came out of left field, stylistically. It made me laugh in the same way that the show choir version of "A Sight to Behold" did. _________________ 
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:08 pm
RE: Mixtapes They are seldom sold because they feature "jacked beats" the artists and producers don't want to pay royalties for using. It may be against the RIAA but it's also become pretty standard in hip hop forever and a day. It became an issue when it went from straight mixes to conceptually driven, like the Grey Album Before that one it was a non-issue, I think the artists used (Jay-Z and the Beatles) and the rave reviews are what brought the heat down on Dangermouse for that one. I don't really care for Jay-Z and wasn't that into the Beatles at the time, so whatever... But yeah, there is a bit of a cultural knowledge gap going on. Nowhere Man - That was a good few bars as far as topical comedy freestyles go.  _________________ yup, that's my name. FOR YOUR RATING PLEASURE: 4 LIKE Buttons, 1 NEUTRAL, 1 VEXED, 5 DISLIKE buttons. LC > FB         
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 3:30 pm
wilsmith wrote: But yeah, there is a bit of a cultural knowledge gap going on. You're right, I had no idea that was a thing. Which makes their logic for justifying the whole thing even shoddier in my opinion. _________________ INTELLECT AND ROMANCE OVER BRUTE FORCE AND CYNICISM Smokemonster |
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:30 pm
My ears are bleeding.
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:40 pm
This isn't the first time I heard a sample from a completely different style infused in a hip-hop song. Many include samples and many of those samples you would hardly know if you heard the original. I understand if he was making money off of it, and some more obvious credit is needed, but I'm almost surprised at the big hate. Almost. I know I actually researched the sampled pieces I heard in songs before; hopefully people do that with Eisley.
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:08 pm
enough's enough. Where's all this imaginary hate? look. someone posted the link because they found it entertainingly offbeat and novel, as they said. Some people liked the music, some people didn't. Problem? Where's this imaginary negative reaction to the use of the sample? All I remember was someone mentioning that if there was money made off the track, they hoped Eisley would get paid. What's wrong with that? Things do tend to be discussed here when they come up, and so this started a brief dialog about the nature of sampling, and opinions of the practice were mixed. Problem? I think the most scathing remark or two came from me who, while having nothing against the people involved, their musical preferences, or what they were trying to accomplish, thought this example was not terribly well mixed. And I do. That's an opinion. Its not hate. What I smell here, and I would know the odor anywhere, is the syndrome of the coddled snowflake who's delicate self esteem has been carefully tended throughout their tender years and who now responds with emotional disintegration to anything other than unreserved affirmation, whether its warranted or not, together with the culture of sycophancy that panders to it. Personally, I think that if certain people don't develop some reality contact and somewhat thicker skin, they are likely to have rather difficult and unhappy lives in the real world. |
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:34 pm
RE: Hate, Haters, and Hatin' Part of the reason I haven't really looked back since I stopped MC'ing and DJing is because of Hatin', the idea of it. During the boom of Southern Hip Hop around the time of Master P & No Limit, then Cash Money blowing up, the term Player Hater caught on. It was like a de-sexualized take on cock-blocking basically. Hater's the lazy version. It was the idea that anyone who questioned you, what you had, or was critical, was Hatin' and trying to keep you from succeeding. It got over extended so that anything that was critical (even if it was well founded) was considered Hatin'. You couldn't say sh!t about sh!t, cause you were a Hater, and no one wanted to be a Hater. No one should want to hear whack music either, but at it's peak the whole fear of being called a Hater made it pretty easy for people to get away with putting out some whack music with impunity. There was a little backlash, but the damage to the culture was done. Basically, one of the flaws with Hip Hop that ushered me out was a culture of entitlement, and minimal self-analysis mixed with a general moral relativism that justified anything anyone else did so long as they prospered. It's the same qualm I had with the art and literature circles I ran in. So when you dis someone or something in Hip Hop, the reactions you get in response are going to be heated, because that's the cultural standard. Criticism is rejected, or retaliated against. A dis leads to a beef. Settle it with a Battle, Beat-Down, or just squash it and move on. This lesson was brought to you by the letters Y & B. _________________ yup, that's my name. FOR YOUR RATING PLEASURE: 4 LIKE Buttons, 1 NEUTRAL, 1 VEXED, 5 DISLIKE buttons. LC > FB
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:46 pm
wilsmith wrote: RE: Hate, Haters, and Hatin'
... ^ a contextual instance of a much broader, more general and more pervasive phenomenon. It all starts like this: "Johnny, can you draw me a picture of a man?" <random, vertically elongated crayon chicken scratch on page> "Very good, Johnny, thats a fantastic picture of a man! I especially like the way you did the hands" (points to indistinct peripheral region of chicken scratch) "You're very talented, Johnny, maybe you should be an artist!". But yeah, the result is a very brittle sense of entitlement, to affirmation and the trappings of accomplishment whether they actually attain it or not, an expectation that if not satisfied inevitably results in tantrums, insults, depression, accusations of bias or prejudice, and various other kinds of acting out. Sadly, this persists well into adulthood, especially if pandered to. More sadly, the inevitable result is to trap the resulting snowflake in an interminable cycle of failure and disappointment when they reach a level in whatever it is they are doing where standards and the honest opinions of others begin to matter. They don't understand why they can never measure up. It couldn't be them, they're talented. Even more sadly, completely unnecessary, as a modicum of honesty at the right time would have either spurred them to try hard enough to actually succeed, and to understand the level of effort required or if whatever it is turned out not to be their cup of tea, to find something they actually could succeed at. |
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 5:54 pm
Forgive me for the dumb dramatic post. Earlier
I don't condone going out in hurricane type conditions either, ha. No but seriously. Well I'll just show myself to the door... |
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:03 pm
Inorbit: True, but sometimes it's just a difference in taste and really bad timing that can lead to a blow up too. A Hurricane is barreling down out east after all, and I know it's been hot as a mother in TX (heh, that was MO in all July, so I can understand being cantankerous). So yeah, who knows??? I haven't gone back to the vid to see more comments or on any blogs of anything. I will say this though: I remember when I first came to this board, and thinking that people were really harsh and abrasive with their criticisms of stuff, when something worthy of criticism was brought forth. The Bridges thread was a good example, the difference being, I think Mrs. Dupree started that thread right??? Sometimes I wonder when we're on a tear around here how close to home we are hitting and not knowing it with other lurkers/ posters. I didn't know the Envy Corps were on the LC until we had one of our "Check where you are on the most posts" convos, which was a trip when past tour lineups were discussed and some folks let them have it. But those are the times we live in too. Mercy is for the weak??? _________________ yup, that's my name. FOR YOUR RATING PLEASURE: 4 LIKE Buttons, 1 NEUTRAL, 1 VEXED, 5 DISLIKE buttons. LC > FB
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 6:10 pm
Cosmic Love wrote: Forgive me for the dumb dramatic post. Earlier
I don't condone going out in hurricane type conditions either, ha. No but seriously. Well I'll just show myself to the door... What? It wasn't dumb and dramatic. But I was wondering, what's the video with the Sherri look-alike? _________________
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