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 Post subject: Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:58 am 
for me, nothing really seems to be too different from the Room Noises cycle. With one big exception, an album that is far far superior. Shame really cos its worth pushing. If they were/are waiting for the headline tour, I'm not sure the wisdom in that surely its worth pushing pushing a product when its released rather than waiting a few months down the line when all momentum could be dwindling. _________________ "A mathematician is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat which isn't there." - Charles Darwin (legend) |
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Joined: 04 Apr 2003 | Posts: 1296 | Location: Gateshead - good ol' blighty, up north
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:42 am
I suspect the label wants to play up the fact that Eisley has sort of a strange feel, and Invasion got the big vote for "strange". But they aren't going to reach the masses with songs like that. I'm sorry, but they won't. Heck, Invasion doesn't even play on the radio here. They play Many Funerals which is still a stretch. I think if they want this album to sell like hotcakes, they need to push mainstream radio friendly songs, and that means putting songs out that the imaginationless masses will eat up. ("Go away". Hello?) Not to say that that song is any less wonderful or imaginative, but it has all the makings of endless radio play. I felt the same way about "My lovely" from RN. Eisley is quirky, offbeat, and strange, and that is why we love them. But you kind of have to reel people in slowly to that kind of thing. Not everybody is going to appreciate a song about alien invasions. _________________ Gosh, writings music Ryan5 wrote: I still love Eisley a gamahucheing million time better than farting |
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Joined: 28 Feb 2005 | Posts: 2060 | Location: Dallas, Texas
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:14 am
I was thinking last night, one additional way to get some added promotion might be to give the 501st (http://www.501st.com) a shout. They're often called out to Weird Al shows every now and then. I'm sure Eisley's pr folks could it worked out.  Now that would be an "invasion" 
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Joined: 28 Mar 2006 | Posts: 267 | Location: Fairfax, VA
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:57 am
keithabbott wrote: I was thinking last night, one additional way to get some added promotion might be to give the 501st (http://www.501st.com) a shout. They're often called out to Weird Al shows every now and then. I'm sure Eisley's pr folks could it worked out. Now that would be an "invasion"
 That would be very cool!
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Joined: 17 Dec 2005 | Posts: 7525 | Location: Wisconsin
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:30 am
Sarcasm noted. However bands have to pay for the use of tour buses eventually. Usually anything a label supplies they expect to be paid back for out of future earnings. Labels Saellys wrote: CUBSWINWORLDSERIES wrote: Is it just Invasion viral video on youtube, and then the band gets out there and pushes their album themselves, with nothing much else to convince anyone to buy / play their album / single? As far as I can see, yes. Eisley may as well just have a P&D deal with WB, for all the good it's doing them. Oh wait, I forgot--WB got them a tour bus. All is forgiven!  |
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Joined: 13 Jun 2007 | Posts: 13 | Location: city of angels
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:04 am
thankubutno wrote: Sarcasm noted. However bands have to pay for the use of tour buses eventually. Usually anything a label supplies they expect to be paid back for out of future earnings. Yeah, I was using the term "got" very loosely. Nothing's free in that industry. My post was intended as a jab to all the folks who defend WB by citing all the tour support the label has given Eisley. Besides putting them in opening slots for bands whose audiences are unlikely to be receptive to the Eisley sound, and finally admitting that ten to fifteen people (band and crew) can't conduct a significant tour in a van with a trailer, there's not a lot of visible support WB have put out there. Of course, people talk all the time about how much invisible stuff goes on that fans will never know about, and that's all well and good, but the invisible infrastructure of Eisley tour support does not outweigh the complete lack of visible promotion for Combinations in the last four months. _________________ INTELLECT AND ROMANCE OVER BRUTE FORCE AND CYNICISM Smokemonster |
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Joined: 24 Sep 2003 | Posts: 14510 | Location: Alone on an airplane, fallin' asleep against the windowpane...
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:21 pm
Saellys wrote: Besides putting them in opening slots for bands whose audiences are unlikely to be receptive to the Eisley sound... How do you know that? You don't. No one does. |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:39 pm
I suppose you have to rely on WB being the 'experts.' After all, thats what they do. They know the business. I guess all a fan can do is keep the buzz alive. _________________ Mike=] |
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Joined: 05 Nov 2007 | Posts: 1453 | Location: Orlando, Florida
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:47 pm
mikep0922 wrote: I suppose you have to rely on WB being the 'experts.' After all, thats what they do. They know the business. That's just it. They don't. 
Wanker Brothers is a laugh. Major labels are deep in $#@! right now. They can do nothing but distribute the record at this point. People are finding their music elsewhere these days, and they can no longer keep up. Don't hold your breath for any kind of huge push from the WB end. But this isn't a bad thing! Eventually Eisley will take the reigns completely and figure out their own PR campaign. Everything from now on will be grassroots...a slow process and rise to success just like they've been doing. Everything is fine. Success is not measured in units sold or radio spins or magazine covers. Get people at the shows. That should be the primary focus. Because touring is the best realistic way to make money as a performer. (Licensing as a songwriter.) Eventually this band will crap out a HUGE selling record, or they will be dropped. Labels don't have the time or resources to BUILD their bands any more. This just isn't how it works. And everyone's going to have a cow if it happens, but I'm telling you, don't be surprised. And don't tell me I don't support this band or believe in them, because I've been in their corner since 2003. It's not them, it's the industry. |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:32 pm
Some really good resources: http://www.artistshousemusic.com This is a great non-profit site that has a bunch of video interviews with industry professionals talking straight up about the way things are. (All here if the links don't work: http://www.artistshousemusic.org/node/5527/3574) http://www.artistshousemusic.com/video/blackwell/forum/labelartist.flv Chris Blackwell (founder of Island Records) talks about the difficulty of letting a band grow in the modern market. http://www.artistshousemusic.com/video/blackwell/seminar/stayingindepe ndent.flv CHRIS BLACKWELL SAYS FLAT OUT THAT INDEPENDENT ARTISTS ARE BETTER OFF INDEPENDENT IN 2007. http://www.artistshousemusic.com/video/recordlabels/JI_free.flv Jimmy Iovine (Chairman of Interscope/Geffen/A&M) rambles about music being a service an truly connecting with the audience and basically proves that labels have NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON. (So worth a look. )
http://www.artistshousemusic.com/video/artists/sm_compromising.flv Musician Shannon McNally talks about arguing with Capitol and discovering she didn't fit their mainstream mold and how she's better for it now that she left their deal. And there are many more interviews with radio people and marketing people and label people just talking about the dismal state of the industry. It's a very interesting listen! |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:48 pm
right on rockerchick! lots of good info and insight. are you in the biz? If so what area do work in? Frankly its way to early to worry about anything regarding Eisleys career. There are alot of variables and as long as the band is writing and touring and the power of the internet there are alternatives to a fruitful career for Eisley. what do i know, except I was signed to Electra then to MCA and am now with a small label and my band is having a resurgance. So you never know. But if love what you do then you keep doing it. PERIOD!!! |
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Joined: 31 Oct 2005 | Posts: 462 | Location: san francisco
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:43 pm
I'm a music business student.  I help run an event on campus called The Forum where we bring industry professionals in to speak and then network with students. But in "real life" I work in market research.
Was your band on MCA right before it folded? Do you know a band called July For Kings? |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:11 pm
Blue eyes! i really the lyrics and song. there from Cinci i believe. sounds like the forum is great thing to keep people informed right? i was on MCA years ago. i play guitar and write for Jetboy. Anyway i plan on looking into the forum to get a better grip on whats happening in the industry. whats your goal in the industry? Is Boyd aware of the forum? My guess is he is.... |
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Joined: 31 Oct 2005 | Posts: 462 | Location: san francisco
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:43 pm
patrock wrote: Saellys wrote: Besides putting them in opening slots for bands whose audiences are unlikely to be receptive to the Eisley sound... How do you know that? You don't. No one does. How do I know that a particular band's audience is unlikely to be receptive to the Eisley sound? Seems like it's a pretty safe bet most of the time. We've had influxes of new fans from unlikely tour couplings--I think the Brand New tour probably brought the most n00bs. Seriously though, how hard is it to take a band's sound into account when planning a tour and choosing a headliner? There are so many bands out there that are more closely linked to Eisley's particular subgenre, and whose fans would mesh well, that I just can't figure out how a label gets it into their head that an NFG/Eisley tour, or even a Fray/Eisley tour, is a great idea. RockerChick wrote: mikep0922 wrote: I suppose you have to rely on WB being the 'experts.' After all, thats what they do. They know the business. That's just it. They don't.
Wanker Brothers is a laugh. Major labels are deep in $#@! right now. They can do nothing but distribute the record at this point. People are finding their music elsewhere these days, and they can no longer keep up. Don't hold your breath for any kind of huge push from the WB end. But this isn't a bad thing! Eventually Eisley will take the reigns completely and figure out their own PR campaign. Everything from now on will be grassroots...a slow process and rise to success just like they've been doing. Everything is fine. Success is not measured in units sold or radio spins or magazine covers. Get people at the shows. That should be the primary focus. Because touring is the best realistic way to make money as a performer. (Licensing as a songwriter.) Eventually this band will crap out a HUGE selling record, or they will be dropped. Labels don't have the time or resources to BUILD their bands any more. This just isn't how it works. And everyone's going to have a cow if it happens, but I'm telling you, don't be surprised. And don't tell me I don't support this band or believe in them, because I've been in their corner since 2003. It's not them, it's the industry. Fully agreed on all counts. If Third Eye Blind could get dropped, so can Eisley. Here's hoping that when it happens, they're prepared to plan their own tours, independently record and release their albums, and keep the fans they have now. _________________ INTELLECT AND ROMANCE OVER BRUTE FORCE AND CYNICISM Smokemonster |
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Post subject: Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 3:45 pm
gRegor wrote: The B&W "Invasion" video was the viral video, yes; only intended for Youtube, Myspace, and other Internet promotion. I doubt you'll ever see that elsewhere.
I would think the label could at least update Yahoo, and similar sites. Why is this internet only video for Invasion not available on Yahoo? I thought Yahoo loved Eisley. At least they did back in 2005, the last time it seems anything was put into promotion, by the label, in a meaningful way. A simple email from the label would probably at least get the bio/photo updated. The Eisley review there is still all about Room Noises, and has this as the band photo: 
Saellys wrote: Of course, people talk all the time about how much invisible stuff goes on that fans will never know about, and that's all well and good, but the invisible infrastructure of Eisley tour support does not outweigh the complete lack of visible promotion for Combinations in the last four months. Make that 9 months of lack of visible promotion. |
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