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 Post subject: that rumsfeldPosted: Fri May 07, 2004 11:53 am 
did you guys see the news about these iraqi prisoners who were forced to do all sorts of crazy things by american soldiers? this is insane! you can't do that in any country, but especially not in Iraq, they have intense feelings about homosexuality, this is just wrong. If you aren't aware of what i'm talking about http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/prison-probe.htm that's some of the coverage. Errr, i hope rumsfeld gets the axe for letting this transgress _________________ welcome to the no pants club boone |
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Post subject: Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 11:57 am
you gave a link to a different story i'm going to wait to vote on this one... i don't know enough yet |
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Post subject: Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 11:58 am
and... how does a school shooting fit in that? _________________ 
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Post subject: Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 12:01 pm
I saw it on tv and newspapers those american soldiers suck big time! "specially not in Iraq"?? you mean that in other countries that kind of humilliation is more acceptable?? itīs not about how they feel about homosexuality!! itīs about dignity! _________________
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Post subject: Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 12:21 pm
I don't think it was Rumsfeld's fault. I believe those rotten American's that did that should be held accountable. _________________ La la la la dum dee dum dum |
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Post subject: Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 12:26 pm
Question, me and my family just discussed this. Do you think Bush should've apologized for those wrong and disgusting things those American soldiers did? My answer.. HELLLL NO! Bush didn't do anything. I think those soldiers should be.. well. you know.. they should apologize big time. _________________ "Maybe Stacy doesn't smile because her face is made out of plaster. But hey, who am I to judge?" -Sherri Kay Dupree. |
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Post subject: Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 12:47 pm
or be castrated...but definitely no ones fault but the guards sadly that's not how everyone sees it  _________________ www.myspace.com/neilcorbett |
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Post subject: Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 12:49 pm
sorry for the bum link, i fixed it now, its been a long day.... _________________ welcome to the no pants club boone |
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Post subject: Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 1:19 pm
bLackeNedcrowN wrote: My answer.. HELLLL NO! Bush didn't do anything. I think those soldiers should be.. well. you know.. they should apologize big time. "Hell No", huh? Wow. And "apologize big time". Nah, why don't we just slap them on the wrist. Geez, folks. Let me remind everyone of something. Everything that our military does in Iraq reflects on America. EVERYTHING. Even though Bush had nothing to do with this directly, I think it is very appropriate that he apologized on behalf of the country. In fact it would have been quite callous and arrogant of him if he had not apologized. If only Saddam has "apologized big time" maybe this all could have been avoided. As for Rumsfeld, I'm still not sure. Supposedly it was something that's been "known" about (at the Pentagon) since about February. Critics are claiming that nothing was done, however I've heard that investigations and all that were started - so it wasn't like they sat on their hands about it. I'm still skeptical, though. Today before Congress Rumsfeld did apologize and said that basically he didn't realize it rose to the level of needing to inform Congress and President Bush about it. That seems pretty stupid and rather negligent, honestly. Anyway, I'm sure he won't be fired as Bush has already indicated that he wants him to stay in his cabinet. I support our troops - BRING THEM HOME. _________________ "The revolution starts today, not tomorrow." :: got g-Love? |
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Post subject: Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 1:22 pm
gRegor wrote: bLackeNedcrowN wrote: My answer.. HELLLL NO! Bush didn't do anything. I think those soldiers should be.. well. you know.. they should apologize big time. "Hell No", huh? Wow. And "apologize big time". Nah, why don't we just slap them on the wrist. Geez, folks. Let me remind everyone of something. Everything that our military does in Iraq reflects on America. EVERYTHING. Even though Bush had nothing to do with this directly, I think it is very appropriate that he apologized on behalf of the country. In fact it would have been quite callous and arrogant of him if he had not apologized. If only Saddam has "apologized big time" maybe this all could have been avoided. Good point. _________________ La la la la dum dee dum dum |
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Post subject: Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 1:23 pm
potato wrote: or be castrated...but definitely no ones fault but the guards
sadly that's not how everyone sees it Actually it's not yet known to what level the misconduct really reached (within the ranks). I'm not suggesting anything by saying that, I'm just saying we don't know if it was just the guards acting alone or whether any superiors approved of it, etc. And as mentioned, the main reason people are focusing on Rumsfeld is that this is not "news" to the Pentagon, and supposedly not much of anything has been done about it. If that's the case, then he certainly does bear some responsibility. _________________ "The revolution starts today, not tomorrow." :: got g-Love? |
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Post subject: Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 3:35 pm
Quote: Do you think Bush should've apologized for those wrong and disgusting things those American soldiers did?
My answer.. HELLLL NO! Bush didn't do anything. I think those soldiers should be.. well. you know.. they should apologize big time. As our President, Bush represents America. He should have apologized. Hell, I would even apologize. It's things like this that sometimes make me ashamed of my country. _________________ Audioscrobbler Now 
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Post subject: Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 5:47 pm
No one should get fired over a handfull of dumb soldiers making a mistake. I'm glad there were apologies made there should have been, it was a terrible thing to do, but the whole thing is blown way out of proportion. This is one event like this, it was already being taken care of by the military. The only reason it was made public was for political gain, to make the war and Bush look bad. It's a distraction from the fact that the economy is doing the best it has in the last 25 years, more people are employed now than EVER before, more than 3 million more people bought homes recently that couldn't have before, the economy is still on the rise. We built 40 or more schools in Iraq, built huge irragation systems, they have clean fresh water, and local governments, but do you hear about this on the news, NO. I'm not downplaying how bad the soldiers actions were, it was terrible. It wasn't torture though and it's nothing compared to what Saddam did to them. I have mixed feelings about it, but there is definitely more positve than negative in Iraq and the national news doesn't show that, I wonder why, maybe b/c every major network is owned and run by Democrats...coincidence, I think not _________________ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - WWW.MODICOMUSIC.COM www.myspace.com/modico "even on the drearest day a loving hand won't turn away God's greatest gift to man how sweet is love" http://www.myspace.com/ambientgecko - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - |
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Post subject: Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 5:50 pm
the soldiers who did it should get fired and their superior officer. because that craps not right. and when crap like that happens, theyr all held responsible, should be dishonorably discharged , immediatly _________________ Music died with Kurt Cobain <<>><<>><<>><<>><< If the sky falls can I count on your vote? |
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Post subject: Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 5:52 pm
I really do feel bad about what happened to the prisoners and it's said that a few soldiers can make an entire country look bad, but I just really don't think it should be turned into as big a deal as it is. Some of the senators that are so "shocked" by these photos said nothing at all when our own troops were burned, dragged through the streets and hung from a bridge, where was their sympathy then, I just don't think this should be turned into a political argument. Soldiers screwed up, they need to be punished, everyone agrees, Bush couldn't have stopped nor could Rumsfeld. They both apologized, what more can they do. _________________ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - WWW.MODICOMUSIC.COM www.myspace.com/modico "even on the drearest day a loving hand won't turn away God's greatest gift to man how sweet is love" http://www.myspace.com/ambientgecko - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - |
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