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 Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:50 am 
Bush has always done what is right and necessary. Kerry does and says what he thinks the people he is currently talking to want to hear. He has no definite stance on any subject. He says he doesn't want to impose his private beliefs on other people, but apparently they're so private he doesn't even oppose them on himself. He says he believes that life begins at conception, but wants every individual to make up his own mind. A theory like that is intended to appeal to everyone and it is just plain wrong. It's like saying that you believe murder is wrong but that you wouldn't hold it against someone who thinks it isn't. Kerry is a dangerous man without any standards, liable to bend for anyone. He once said that many(unnamed) foreign leaders who supported the War on Terror said they would prefer him as President. Like Giuliani said a few nights ago, that leads one to believe that Kerry's loyalty is for sale. He would kowtow to the UN, that powerless, bickering collection of corrupt and delusional men, dismantle our national defense system, and change the War on Terror from an aggressive to passive strategy. Zell Miller, Democratic Senator from Georgia, even understands how dangerous Kerry is to this nation. _________________ Haß ist allen den Sie benötigen. |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:02 am
robbie wrote: ambientgecko wrote: look who's back up in this forum, someone asked who's up in the polls, Bush is up in all the major polls, the Kerry campaign is freaking out, and they have good reason to, most Americans are starting to realize how terrible it would be if he were elected. Actually all the major polls I've seen have shown Kerry as in the lead, but then again it doesn' matter... polls aren't entirely accurate and we all know that. The RNC did just happen, of course the media is going to report higher republican support just like after the democrats convention they reported higher democrat support. You can't just say something like "americans" are starting to realize how terrible... because that's a vague, generalized comment. I'm american and every day I am realizing how much Cheney and Bush are unable to run this country, how much they have deceived the country, how much trouble this country will be in if they are re-elected. Consider this... at the DNC there were very few protestors, certainly very few arrests, why? Kerry is not controversial, he is a qualified man for the job and even most of those that oppose him aren't passionately against him. At the RNC there were hundreds of thousands of protestors, they had to shut down blocks and blocks of new york, they arrested people just for wearing anti-bush stuff (not all, but some of them). You could make a blanketed comment like "well those liberals are just extreme and like to protest anything", but I say that Bush has ignited a rage in those that oppose him that few presidents have probably seen. . Kerry's election I think would just be another day at the office in washington, but if Bush gets re-elected I have some doubts about the safety of our country for the next 4 years, not just from the outside, but from the inside. As of yesterday, LA Times, New York Times, and Gallup all had Bush up...I hate polls anyway, they are never straightforward and I don't trust them completely. I have confidence that the American people will make the right decision. _________________ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - WWW.MODICOMUSIC.COM www.myspace.com/modico "even on the drearest day a loving hand won't turn away God's greatest gift to man how sweet is love" http://www.myspace.com/ambientgecko - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:41 am
Hwin wrote: If I could vote I would vote for Bush. same here. because: 1.- he's adamantly opposed to abortion, like i am. 2.- he has proven to be a leader that can actually stand firm in the things he believes...instead of saying one thing and doing another. (which is what bothers me about john kerry... i am a conservative-minded person, but even that doesn't come into play in this...it just bothers me that kerry has totally changed his mind on certain issues, like the war and the patriot act... how is anyone supposed to know what he's really going to do if elected? it's like he's entirely controlled by party politics. i can't respect someone or trust them to lead my country if they can't make up their mind.) 3.- bush is the candidate that would agree with most of my political ideas and views... thus, it would make sense for me, if i could vote, to vote for him. and lifeisforliving- you said this: "for making choices that he thinks is best for our country (didn't hitler do that?)" nice work proving my stereotypes of democrat/liberal/whatever people... comparing bush to hitler seems to be something they like to do!  but anways, i'd just like to mention that Hitler was not doing what was best for Germany, he was doing what Adolf Hitler thought was best for Adolf Hitler. he was a power hungry meglomaniac, a crazed dicatator... you can say "bush killed a lot of people, just like hitler!" yeah, well george bush has not ordered the killings of certain ethnic groups, he did not establish a secret police to keep a tight reign on the country, he has not sought to control the media, or the textbooks in public schools, nor has he saturated the country with propaganda. in fact, if you're looking for someone to compare hitler to, what about sadaam hussein? i think he fits the bill better than mr. bush does.
(no hard feelings, just making a point. politics tend to upset people but i hope i haven't made you or anyone else mad.) _________________ Saellys wrote: Thank God for Arielle  all your kind, they're coming clean they shut their eyes their mess, their scene |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:21 am
uselessrocker wrote: Zell Miller, Democratic Senator from Georgia, even understands how dangerous Kerry is to this nation. I'm trying to stay out of this discussion because I like this board and these topics tend to divide people (the gay-marraige thread for instance), but citing Zell Miller as someone who is on your side does not help your credibility. He is what's known as a dixiecrat, the old democrats who vote against anyone who calls themself a republican because Lincoln was a republican and Lincoln freed the slaves. Last night, he showed up and gave a very fiery speech at the RNC and then went on a bunch of cable news shows and made a fool of himself, but three years ago he campaigned for Kerry, so who is it that can't make up their mind? And for the people who keep bringing up Kerry's voting record, voting against a military spending bill doesn't mean Kerry is against the idea of spending money on the military. The terms of bills are very specific and you don't get to say "I vote yes, but only for 9.9 billion instead of 10 billion." It's all or nothing. I'm glad that this discussion is going on, because it means people are interested in the government and trying to be involved in it rather than just sitting back and letting politicians make all of the decisions. But it's sad that so many people's choices are motivated by voting against who they see as the wrong candidate rather than voting for the right one. |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:22 am
One point of criticism on the "war on terror", that's not the enemy, that's the tactic of an enemy. War must be waged against a person or group of people or nation. If it is Afganistan or Iraq using terror against the US, then war should be declared on them, not their actions. Otherwise would be like declaring war on spoons because too many people are fat. Just for the record, I support neither Bush or Kerry and only posted that picture earlier because it is funny, and it is funny because it makes fun of both sides, the Republicans for assuming a stereotypical flip-flop image of Kerry, and the Democrats because there's some degree of truth to it. _________________ This space intentionally left blank. |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:23 am
Bush is just a minor rung Illuminati puppet. Kerry too. We lose either way regardless. Really. _________________ Audioscrobbler Now 
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:03 am
I'm going to back out of the conversation too. I get too fired up when talking about politics, every time I see the current administration tricking the ignorant masses on tv I get a fire in my stomach that makes me actually sick. My birthday is saturday, no politics until after then  .
p.s. If you think that Bush has done what is "right" then I'd say you haven't paid attention to what he's done, just what he's said he's done. p.p.s. Okay, seriously, now I'm done. |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:07 am
I've been gone for a while, it's good to see that politics are still a hot issue on the forum. _________________ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - WWW.MODICOMUSIC.COM www.myspace.com/modico "even on the drearest day a loving hand won't turn away God's greatest gift to man how sweet is love" http://www.myspace.com/ambientgecko - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:21 am
all politicians suck... some just suck less. I'd vote for bush on strictly moral grounds, but i hate his economic policies... i know that kerry would be more economically on par with what i need, but morality outweighs economy in my book... but i cant vote for bush... so i'll either vote nader, or some other third party, or not at all. I dont want to see kerry in office, i'd rather see bush in for 4 more years than kerry, but im not gonna vote for him either... _________________ Now I never leave my zone, we're both alone, I'm going home... I wish I'd never seen your face. |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 9:56 am
mattr wrote: I'm glad that this discussion is going on, because it means people are interested in the government and trying to be involved in it rather than just sitting back and letting politicians make all of the decisions. But it's sad that so many people's choices are motivated by voting against who they see as the wrong candidate rather than voting for the right one. I'm voting for Bush because Bush is the man I want in the Office of the Presidency. The majority of his policies are on par with what I believe. Kerry wants to take money from those who have worked hard to earn it and give it to those who didn't. That's socialism in my book. Bush's tax plan allows people to keep the money they make and use it how they see fit. Bush has taken a strong stance on the subject of abortion and gay marriage, both with which I agree. Bush's foreign policy is designed to protect America from people with whom, because of their religion, cannot be negotiated with. There are people out there who hate the United States and everything it stands for. Their minds will not be changed. Their culture has ingrained in them the deepest malice towards all Americans. They are glorified for their vicious, murderous ways. A perfect example is the current hostage situation in Russia. The terrorists there have taken innocent children hostage. And the way it's going, I don't believe things will end in anything but absolute tragedy. Terrorists and those who harbor and/or support them must be destroyed. Sure it's harsh, but there is no other choice. I saw DNC Chairman Terry McAuliffe on television just a few minutes ago and he said that American security was worse than it was four years ago, which is a complete and utter lie. If it weren't for things that have been done to take the war to the terrorists, had we sat back and not retaliated we would have to live day-to-day wondering when the next attack would come. I'm voting for Bush because he knows what he believes, he does what needs to be done, and he is complete sincere and uninterested in trying to please everyone. And for that I admire him. _________________ Haß ist allen den Sie benötigen. |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 10:06 am
Paranoid Android v2.0 wrote: Bush is just a minor rung Illuminati puppet. Kerry too. We lose either way regardless.
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:00 pm
robbie wrote: I have to say this... I'm watching the republican national convention right now and I have rarely been this mad in my whole life. It's the most frustrating thing I've ever seen on television, but I watch to try to stay informed. Maybe I just don't understand people, but I can't figure out why these people support these guys, it's complete insanity. The republicans are talking about what they are going to do in the next four years, but I have to wonder why they haven't done those things in the past four years? Our economy is terrible, healthcare is awful (not the best in the world as Dick claimed), education is not nearly where it should be (I've never been so unable to afford it), and there is now more terrorism than ever beforein the world? Is that a job well done? ARGHGHG... I'm frustrated, i probably shouldn't be posting while this angry... I just can't help it. If you aren't passionate about politics and angry then you aren't well informed... if Bush is elected again I amdeclaring this next statement so, for now it's in the batter's box... "George Bush (and his administration) make me feel ashamed to be an american". GRRRRR. I quit.. .I'm going to go for a jog now. i watched some of the convention and i got really angry also. i agree with what you are saying. "The republicans are talking about what they are going to do in the next four years, but I have to wonder why they haven't done those things in the past four years?" - thats a really good point. Im going vote for Kerry because I think he will be a much better president than Bush. But I also think things will still be pretty bad no matter who is president. The president has way too much power and there's going to be a lot of unhappy people (probably around half of the country) when the president of the country has such a huge amount of power. But there really isnt anything I can do about this, so Im just going to vote for who I think will listen to all the people more and who believes that the government should serve the people, not the other way around. And I think Kerry will be a better president for the entire country and not just for the rich people. _________________ http://www.myspace.com/eightieseducation Website - www.kristuphil.com/phil |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:26 pm
joseph wrote: Hey Paul, if you want accurate coverage of the presidential campaigns and such in the United States, I recommend the Daily Show with Jon Stewart. It doesn't get any better. sadly, this is true. i say sadly because it's gotten to the point where the fake news is better than the real news, not because the daily show doesn't rock. because it does. so so much. the fake bush convention movie last night? pure genius. _________________ hello. |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:57 pm
joseph wrote: Hey Paul, if you want accurate coverage of the presidential campaigns and such in the United States, I recommend the Daily Show with Jon Stewart. It doesn't get any better. Thanks joseph,I'm not sure we get that here though. Australia go to the polls on october 9th and we have two terrible candidates again,I swear over here you may as well just flip a coin.Voting here is just a pointless exercise The one & only thing these campaigns ever make me realise is my dislike for all politicians.They are all as bad as each other. _________________ 
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 1:17 pm
I don't mind people as much if they're voting for Kerry and they have a reason for it other than the typical, I hate Bush, Bush is stupid, we need someone new load of BS. I think that is quite possibly the dumbest reason to vote for someone, if you're going to vote please at least research the person you're voting for. Don't vote for the person because your friend is, or you parents are, or it's the cool thing to hate Bush. You're going to have to live for 4 years under one of these guys, who would you rather have leading our country. Who do you think can do the best job during a time of war, neither candidate is going to stop the war on terror, Kerry even said he would have gone to Iraq even WITHOUT WMD's. I guess that leaves the anti-war people without a candidate, or at least without one that has a chance to win. I really just think a lot of people need to think about this in a more serious manner. Look into the records of these two guys, what did Kerry do for 20 years in the Senate, what did he vote for or against, what did Bush do in office, who is a better leader? _________________ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - WWW.MODICOMUSIC.COM www.myspace.com/modico "even on the drearest day a loving hand won't turn away God's greatest gift to man how sweet is love" http://www.myspace.com/ambientgecko - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - |
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