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 Post subject: Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:06 am 
theenvycorps wrote: I think it's safe to say that there were compromises made, as there always is when money is the bottom line. The fact is, these Eisley kids write great music. Amazing songwriting and lyrics. And, by jove, if this is what they need to propel them to a level of popularity where they can fully call the shots, then I say go for it.
Remember a little band called Radiohead and a little album called "Pablo Honey"? Back in 1993 if you would have played me that record and told me that they would have created a record like Kid A I would've laughed you out of the shower. They didn't come into their own until LP number 2 and now they're the most important band in rock. Luckily, Eisley already has the songwriting part down....they just need to take the reigns as producers (or let Midlake or Aaron Sprinkle or Jon Brion do it), and all shall be well. well said, envycorps. thanks for making that comparison. kim, i really like these songs, so it'll only get better, right? 
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:28 am
It bugs me when people start to criticize an album before it releases. I remember when people got HTTT long before the release date complaining at how the previous albums were better. I find it hard to give a fair judgement of an album when i've only heard a couple of tracks; aren't albums supposed to be judged as a whole? Maybe I am wrong, but I think we should save our judgements/thoughts for after the album drops. Eisley put in many long months of hard work on this album; so why should we be so quick to speak? I must say that I am dissappointed in some of the boardies comments, I thought that we had more class. _________________ I am not who I say I am! |
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Joined: 28 Apr 2004 | Posts: 138 | Location: Wherever you want it to be.
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:43 am
While I agree with the premise of your statement, I don't know that necessarily hearing TE in an album context is going to change it for me that much....people have opinions, you can dwell on them and freak out or realize that everyone is entitled to theirs and just calm down. |
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Joined: 20 Aug 2003 | Posts: 2261 | Location: Ames, Iowa
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:46 am
theenvycorps wrote: While I agree with the premise of your statement, I don't know that necessarily hearing TE in an album context is going to change it for me that much....people have opinions, you can dwell on them and freak out or realize that everyone is entitled to theirs and just calm down. Ok, if you say so. _________________ I am not who I say I am! |
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Joined: 28 Apr 2004 | Posts: 138 | Location: Wherever you want it to be.
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 4:32 am
Kimbrtones wrote: Wow, this is hard for me.
Watching people like giant_, and ideal, that have obviously been around here a pretty good while, turn so quickly in a negative way towards this honest, hard working band is going to be difficult for me. It's ok. Everyone is going to have their thoughts, and I understand that. I think to say that you can no longer tell their influences of, Pink Floyd, The Beatles, Radiohead, etc...will turn back around when you all hear the whole album. Tis true that the band lost some battles during the making of this album, but, they won many, and are very proud of the way it turned out. I hope all of you will like the full album too, even though I know that is not possible. Carry on........  AWWW....don't worry, even if some people will dislike the sound, but as long as its what Eisley wants, its perfect. -NiQ _________________ chinese food makes me sick |
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Joined: 21 Jan 2004 | Posts: 2901 | Location: Texas
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 4:35 am
It seems that some of you feel that WB is dictating how the album should sound and pushing it toward the " Avril" , WB teen drama polished perfect package type stuff . I don't believe that WBRecords told the band how the album should sound, actually I recall reading that the band heard the final mixes ( in Weston's room?) and all loved it. So, in fact this is what the band wants. Also, I know it's easy to say the "big " corporate machine wants to turn the band into the next big thing but I know from my sources that WB wants what Boyd once said " a natural progression" not force feeding the public, just putting it out there and see how it does, kinda surprising in this age of signing a band and expecting a hit right off the bat or they are dropped. Actually I heard it's kinda like the old days of signing a band and let them develop over several records, a rare thing. Still you can't blame the label for being excited over the new record and wanting them to do well, it's a great sounding record Golly Sandra, My lovely, Just like we do, Trollywood, Plenty of Paper are my new favs oh and One Day too |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 4:42 am
I have to say that I like the slower version of Telescope Eyes better. The current tempo just doesn't fit the lyrics and changes the mood of the song completely. Its very contradictory. The lyrics seem to be about the emotional anguish of a child yearning to fit in with everyone else. The desperate plea of wanting to be accepted. The upbeat tempo trivializes that emotion. Still not a bad song though. I really love Lost at Sea though. Golly Sandra also is very good. I just can't wait to here the others especially My Lovely and Plenty of Paper. |
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Joined: 08 Sep 2004 | Posts: 1335 | Location: COLUMBUS, GA
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 5:50 am
I appreciate duojet glenn comments. Tis true. WB has been very supportive, and respectful towards the band's ideas, and feelings. At times, there was pressure for certain results, but, that's what relationships are all about....learning to work together respectfully. Do they want success for EISLEY? I sure hope so!!! I do understand the way people feel about things, if they knew the songs before. There is this one song by an artist that I really respect, and she has recorded one of my favorite songs of her's several times. I still go back to the first recording of it, and prefer it, but, I don't dislike all the others. They are just not what I prefer of that recording. Anywayzzzz........ |
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Joined: 11 Nov 2002 | Posts: 3695 | Location: Tyler, TX
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 6:18 am
I think the songs released are very good. Honestly I wasn't expecting the same Eisley sound we've been used to. I usually don't listen to the radio, I'm not a big fan of "pop" music, but the new mixes are not bad. I really don't know what some of you guys were expecting, I'm looking forward to hearing the rest of the cd. I'm sure the other songs will also be well polished, but is that a bad thing? This is still the same band that I grew to love before they were ever signed to WB. Sure the songs are not the same, yes they are more "mainstream" sounding, but who cares. I'm pretty sure WB didn't suffocate Eisley and force them into a sound that they didn't want. If the band isn't complaining then I trust that the whole cd will be just fine. No matter what the cd sounds like, most of us here have the context of past recordings and we know what Eisley is capable of. Well polished, radio friendly music is not bad, and this is coming from a person who rarely turns it on. I think a lot of this anxiety is due to the fact that we don't want Eisley to become music for everyone. It's easier for us to "keep it in the family", but Eisley deserves this. The band has worked hard over the years and I think it is going to pay off for them. T.E. is better now in my opinion, I never liked the Laughing City version, and the original version was never my favorite. I think the song is good, it's just not my cup of tea. We're all going to have different opinions about the cd, and the future of the band, but just remember that WB didn't buy their souls. We're not going to wake up one day and notice that Eisley is now Avril, it's just not going to happen. We still have a while before the release, there's no need to panic now. Be optimistic...don't you be a grumpy, when the road gets bumpy, just SMILE! (sorry that just randomly popped into my head) _________________ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - WWW.MODICOMUSIC.COM www.myspace.com/modico "even on the drearest day a loving hand won't turn away God's greatest gift to man how sweet is love" http://www.myspace.com/ambientgecko - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - |
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Joined: 24 Dec 2003 | Posts: 1334 | Location: Fort Worth is my home... I'm at OU now though
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:25 am
yeah, guys. this is not a sell-out record by far. if anything, I bet WB's wringing their hands over "how are we going to market this?" I honestly think Room Noises walks that fine line between catchy radio pop and difficult indie/underground gold, and while that's perfect territory for my ears, it could pose a huge problem for promoting Eisley come February/whenever. See, it's the kind of album that Pitchfork/Q/etc will probably view as "well that's pretty damn mainstream: verse-chorus-verse songs, goes well with Coldplay and Snow Patrol," but then the kid in middle school will turn around and say, "well, that's pretty damn weird: lots of references to mythology, this girl talking about crying a lot, it doesn't quite rock but it's not quite mellow". The great albums are all about shades of grey, and Room Noises has 'em. at any rate, there's a difference between polish and blinding shine. and it's not as if Eisley's EPs weren't shiny, either -- this time, the polish sounds more refined and even restrained at times. Thumbs up from this side. -Sam [ha I called the album "Room Sounds" on accident. talk about a Beach Boys Freudian slip!] |
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Joined: 05 Dec 2004 | Posts: 3 | Location: Dallas
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:15 pm
not too happy... but... I fell in love with the EP versions, the live ones, and even 'pretender' and all the rusty sounding early recordings converted into mp3s for pete's sake! which have an undescribable quality. I shall/will be faithful to them. I'm just that kind of old-fashioned person. These metamorphoses will have to grow on me. I think all the earlier fans love these songs soo much as they were (even if they weren't completely finished and mixed or whatever) they have/had that special eisley thing, even the simplest tune was so perfect and beautiful, the change is somewhat scary and odd. Lets not forget why we fell in love with them in the first place, I think the band needs our support, regardless. p.s I liked the remix for l.a.s thou... _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind...Dr. Seuss |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 2:26 pm
Kim, when anyone puts something out there on view for the public it's a rare case that everyone will like it. i know you already know this for you seem to be quite wise, but i just wanted to remind you.
i have only listened to the songs straight through once, so i'm not going to say much. i really love the versions of the songs live. i tend to lean towards recordings that are closer to their raw states (i guess Mr Pine recorded by Midlake is an Eisley example or even how there is a rawness to OK Computer in comparison to the cleaness of HTTT by Radiohead). Golly Sandra seems to be the closest to the live version, as it was produced by the band. my favorite version of TE will probably always be the original. maybe not so much because of sonic qualities, but arrangements (the OK Computer-ish jazz bridge). the Lost at Sea home demo that was posted sounded really great to me. i didn't like it as much when i heard it live last at Brewtones with the big beat. this studio version sounds closer to the demo, just a tad faster. i am definitely an "album" person (meaning i just an album as a whole thing like a document or a book or movie) so i can't make many comments till February. can't wait! **just remember** as long as the band is happy with what they do, that's what matters! people will fade. everyone on this board will die at some point, but the music will carry on (most likely in a different format) _________________ I am Torgo. I take care of the place while the Master is away. |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 2:33 pm
Like I said, I totally understand liking what you first hear. There will be lovers and haters of Eisley. I'm preparing myself for both. |
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 2:45 pm
I think "Golly Sandra" is a great song although my initial impression of the layered vocals in some parts are that they sounded a bit cluttery (sort like on "Laughing City"). Then again, it could grow on me. That chorus, however, is probably the finest I've heard come from the band to date. Just a classic winsome Beatle-esque hook. _________________ https://soundcloud.com/kiteswithoutstrings/tracks |
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Joined: 03 Jan 2003 | Posts: 476 | Location: Austin TX
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:09 pm
I think it's totally unique, and awesome! Eisley is pure orginality, and that is why they are going to make it to the top, and is also why everyone wants a piece of them. I say good job Duprees, Wilsons and everyone involved! _________________ http://www.compassion.com/Default |
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