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 Post subject: Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:07 pm 
I don't mean to danmper you mormons parade, but i need to clarify something. It is not a chrsitian faith. Maybe some mormons are confused christians because, in my experience, most of you don't even know what mormonism is about. Here are a few reasons why mormonism is not christianity: 1) Mormons are taught that Satan and Jesus were brothers (or at least the leaders are taught that, I don't know how they do things, I just know most of them have no idea what they are) Satan is a fallen angel, in no way related to the Son of God. 2) John Smith carelessly overlooked this scripture when he added the mormon testament: Revelation 20:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. I don't know about you but I don't want those plagues! 3) Mormons think Satan lives in the ocean. Wrong again, the Bible (not the mormon one) says that Satan is the prince of the power of the air. (Ephesians 2:2 NKJV). There are a lot more reasons but I don't really study it very much. I'm more interested in God than I am in religion. _________________ hmmm.... |
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:09 pm
Please, try to be more diplomatic in the future, especially in such a sensitive topic. And if anyone feels like they NEED to respond, try to be cool-headed about it. JD _________________ "Well, hopefully that's our job, to strap rockets onto everything." - Adam Savage, Mythbusters |
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:16 pm
I was merely clarifying what is and what is not. Are you offended? Then you can remain ignorant and pass by my post. You think they killed Jesus becuase He was nice guy? However my intent is not to 'cram it down your throght.' but I will use force when needed. Graciously, and with love. 
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:33 pm
Sifter wrote: I don't mean to danmper you mormons parade, but i need to clarify something. It is not a chrsitian faith. Maybe some mormons are confused christians because, in my experience, most of you don't even know what mormonism is about.
Here are a few reasons why mormonism is not christianity: 1) Mormons are taught that Satan and Jesus were brothers (or at least the leaders are taught that, I don't know how they do things, I just know most of them have no idea what they are) Satan is a fallen angel, in no way related to the Son of God. 2) John Smith carelessly overlooked this scripture when he added the mormon testament: Revelation 20:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. I don't know about you but I don't want those plagues! 3) Mormons think Satan lives in the ocean. Wrong again, the Bible (not the mormon one) says that Satan is the prince of the power of the air. (Ephesians 2:2 NKJV). There are a lot more reasons but I don't really study it very much. I'm more interested in God than I am in religion. Thankyou for clarifying. Really. I posted what I did with the disclaimer that it does not offend me so much when people seperate Mormons out from the rest of general Christianity. I know many people, like yourself, have their own personal definitions of Christianity. Other people, however, do consider Mormons Christians because of their use of the Bible and belief in Jesus Christ. But to each their own. Also, keep in mind I am not offended (so no one please take this as reason to close the thread)...however maybe it would be wise for people to stick to explaining their own religion, instead of one they do not fully understand... I just think it might be more tasteful.. And also respectfully, I think the name you were looking for was Joseph Smith. Again no hard feelings Sifter.  _________________ -Brooke |
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:50 pm
cryptictonight wrote: And also respectfully, I think the name you were looking for was Joseph Smith. 
Sorry, couldn't help myself.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:01 pm
Sifter wrote: I don't mean to danmper you mormons parade, but i need to clarify something. It is not a chrsitian faith. Maybe some mormons are confused christians because, in my experience, most of you don't even know what mormonism is about.
Here are a few reasons why mormonism is not christianity: 1) Mormons are taught that Satan and Jesus were brothers (or at least the leaders are taught that, I don't know how they do things, I just know most of them have no idea what they are) Satan is a fallen angel, in no way related to the Son of God. 2) John Smith carelessly overlooked this scripture when he added the mormon testament: Revelation 20:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. I don't know about you but I don't want those plagues! 3) Mormons think Satan lives in the ocean. Wrong again, the Bible (not the mormon one) says that Satan is the prince of the power of the air. (Ephesians 2:2 NKJV). There are a lot more reasons but I don't really study it very much. I'm more interested in God than I am in religion. From what I know of mormonism (which is a decent amount considering at least 5 of my best friends are mormons) you are pretty far off on a lot of this. 1. They don't believe they were brothers in the sense that they were equals or were similar in any way other than that they both at one time existed in heaven and were created by god (Father). They were brothers in the same way that all of (according to the mormon religion) the spirits in heaven were related. 2. Their religion is based mostly on the idea of returning the church to the way that they believe the church of christ existed in the beginning. Also, many christian spinoffs look over some of the more theatrical, poetic, or historical portions of the bible respectively and selectively as it applies to their denomination. Mormons still use the bible as you do, but also use the Book of Mormon. Yes, some of it contradicts, or as they might explain... attempts to correct changes that were made by faulty translations and politics within the church over the years, but a lot of the stuff from the old testament or new testament already contradicts itself, so they can hardly be faulted for that. 3. I don't know where you heard this, Seems kinda moot to me, but ocean/air... it's all kind of cryptic anyway. I'm not trying to defend or promote their religion, just trying to clear up a few things. You said that most mormons don't even know about their religion, well the same could easily be said about any of the other religions, especially christianity. Here are a few other misconceptions about mormonism: They technically are christian because they worship jesus as the son of god. The primary thing seperating them is the idea that there is no "holy trinity", but that the father, son, and holy ghost are three seperate entities, but one at the same time. Not quite polytheists, but close. They DO NOT practice polygamy. They did, but it wasn't as wide spread among the church as some believe, but it is not allowed by the church now. There isn't even one kind of "mormon", but the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is what I"m talking about. Oh, and they believe that all of their church members are saints, not just the really good ones. again i will say, this is not me debating the religions... just trying to clarify a few points and misconceptions. If any mormons here see an error in what I've said then maybe you can correct me (isn't proper knowledge of other religions a great way to test your own beliefs and alignments anyway?). Like I said, this info is just from what I've learned growing up with these kids. p.s. This site is one of the funniest and telling site about mormon youth ever... if you know some mormon kids anyway http://icantimmormon.com/ Mormon girls.... yeah. |
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:12 pm
*THIS IS A LITTLE OFF TOPIC* please excuse me. somebody i won't name wrote: Nazi i know you were just saying that.... but personally, i wouldn't have brought that word into this thread, ESPECIALLY as Judaism was left out of the poll. i was just pointing that out. no offence to anyone, but i don't think that word should really be used in the form of 'grammar nazi' or whatever, on the forum. just my opinion.
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:28 am
I don't have one. Faith is a beautiful thing, and I respect anyone who has it.. it's just not for me. |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:52 am
conundrum66 wrote: librariman wrote: How do you maintain an existentialist point of view while believing in Jesus and God? I was basically an existentialist prior to my salvation. I also struggled with depression which is either a symptom or a cause of the existentialist viewpoint in my experience. I'm definitely in the camp of Christians who see the "Church" with a big 'C' as being scattered throughout Christendom (including in the Catholic church). I grew up in a demonation that could have been any social club but got hit with the reality of Christ's message in undergrad. I don't think I feel that I'm "right" or that God is on my side. I do think that I have something that a lot of people don't have and that I'd like to see them have it too. So are you saying that you only follow the words of Jesus because he was the son of God? You wouldn't live your life like you would now without this fact? Umm...yup. If he was just a man then I would say screw it and live for myself. If he was just a man then this life is all I have and there is no explanation for abhorrent evil. I would go back to getting stoned regularly and I would help people less. Basically I see myself as over empathetic. I grew up really feeling the pain of how cruel human beings are to each other. This caused me to feel hopeless and unable to change things (enter existentialist angst). There is a lot in western culture that says the moment is all we have to live for, love is the only answer, blah blah blah. The problem I've always struggled with in that is that no one can love perfectly so if our only hope is to love each other then I am hopeless. My freshman year in college a man described to me that Christ was able to love perfectly, that God is perfect love and perfect justice (the reason that we can't connect to him), that there is a force that works to destroy, and that I can accept an undeserved salvation. It took me 5 years to agree with all of that, especially since the church that guy was involved in was really struggling with hypocrisy and deceit. I also read alot of Emerson and Thoreau, guys I don't really agree with but who lead me to inspiration. Oh yeah, and a couple years of counseling and sobriety didn't hurt either.
Isn't it hard to sum up what we believe? Many of the Christian's on here are just like me, needing to clarify what kind of Christian they are. on another note: I think the reason no Christian church accepts Mormonism as Christianity is because we absolutely disagree on all of the fundamentals. But Mormonism isn't the only bible-based teaching that says you have to earn salvation. I think that issue is to me the key blasphemy that scares me. Return to my speculation that we're incapable of loving each other perfectly and add on that we're incapable of earning salvation. It's possible that there is some human being out there that is capable of not being selfish...but they've probably never met other human beings. _________________ hi, my name is dan, a librariman i am anyone can play guitar... |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 7:18 am
librariman wrote: Umm...yup. If he was just a man then I would say screw it and live for myself. If he was just a man then this life is all I have and there is no explanation for abhorrent evil. Wow...I wasn't expecting this answer at all. Well my job is done here I suppose. |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 11:57 am
thesinisterpenguin wrote: *THIS IS A LITTLE OFF TOPIC* please excuse me.
somebody i won't name wrote: Nazi i know you were just saying that.... but personally, i wouldn't have brought that word into this thread, ESPECIALLY as Judaism was left out of the poll. i was just pointing that out. no offence to anyone, but i don't think that word should really be used in the form of 'grammar nazi' or whatever, on the forum. just my opinion. No Soup For You! ...get it, soup nazi...? GODBLESS -niQ _________________ chinese food makes me sick |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 11:59 am
conundrum66 wrote: So are you saying that you only follow the words of Jesus because he was the son of God? You wouldn't live your life like you would now without this fact? ueah, i dont see why athiests even bother with rules, and stuff...it just doesnt make sense. and another thing...i greatly dislike science. GODBLESS -NiQ _________________ chinese food makes me sick |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:04 pm
For the sake of discussion, since I'm not an atheist, I wonder why you'd think atheists wouldn't have rules or why they wouldn't use rules or shouldn't use rules? JD _________________ "Well, hopefully that's our job, to strap rockets onto everything." - Adam Savage, Mythbusters |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:19 pm
jdstories wrote: For the sake of discussion, since I'm not an atheist, I wonder why you'd think atheists wouldn't have rules or why they wouldn't use rules or shouldn't use rules?
JD I'd be interested to hear that as well. All of the atheists I know have some sense of rules,morality, and society as mutual protection or some sort of evolutionary process. Well...not all of them. I have known anarchists and hedonists who were also atheists. Usually when trying to persuade an atheist towards deism or agnosticism or something I'll bring up morality even though it is hard to prove where a sense of wrong and right comes from. Btw, JD...I always appreciate your comments in the touchier threads. You seem like a very thoughtful person. _________________ hi, my name is dan, a librariman i am anyone can play guitar... |
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Christian, protestant _________________ The Mars Volta, version française | Last.fm |
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