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france wrote: kLafied wrote: " "In the books the Magisterium is a version of the Catholic Church gone wildly astray from its roots," Weitz wrote in the British Daily Telegraph.
But "if that's what you want in the film, you'll be disappointed," he warned. " (Weitz is the director.) Whether you'd like to believe it or not, the author is an atheist advocate. He wrote this book as a counter to books like the Chronicles of Narnia and The Lord of the Rings, books that promote a triumph of good over evil, with his trilogy which denounces God and religion. Read what you want, watch what you want and give money to whom ever you want, just don't be misinformed about his "intentions," or whatever spin the media is trying to put on it. The movie had to be cut and redone several times, which in turn did a fairly good job of hiding the overall message. Do you see the gain in this? Unsuspecting parents take their children to see an animated movie over Christmas break, they don't know the actual story behind the book and don't understand the hidden message and to promote reading, buy the book for their children for Christmas, which in turn leaves their children reading a book about killing God and keeps spreading that good ol' message of hate and anarchism all at the same time. It's all about the agenda and the dollar signs at the end anyway. And stop going on about this thread "not being on topic." It is on topic because it's discussing the author, the message and the meaning behind the.....BOOK. Just because it's something you don't want to hear or you don't agree with doesn't mean it's not allowed to be said and or discussed. Jeeeez. I'm aware the author is atheist and yadda yadda. And in a movie critic I read that the movie isn't aimed for young children. I'm really sick of arguing about this. If you think your child is going to become an atheist from reading or seeing the movie, then don't take them and be quiet! There are so many movies that promote Christianity, so boo hoo, there's one that doesn't. I'm not Christian, (though I do still believe in G-d) so I don't care anyway, but that's besides the point. I think my beliefs are strong enough to not let the talking polar bears convince me of anything less. _________________ www.kailahandler.bandcamp.com |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:23 am
I love the His Dark Materials books. I found them to be some of the most imaginative stories I have ever read. I will thoroughly enjoy seeing the film adaptations. Atheist message or no. That being said, if somebody allows their entire spiritual existence to be swayed by a single film or book (especially a work of FICTION), then they are a prime example of a "sheeple" and don't really deserve to have an opinion on the matter. Don't people think for themselves anymore? _________________ Audioscrobbler Now 
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:28 am
kLafied wrote: I think my beliefs are strong enough to not let the talking polar bears convince me of anything less. this quote is only slightly edged out in awesomeness by.. granpaturtle wrote: ps- oh is there anti jesus stuff in this movie? i couldn't see that past all the ARMORED BEARS! this one. 
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:57 am
Some folks from the Chapters store where I work are organizing a big employee trip to see it on Sunday after the store closes. I'm hurriedly reading Compass in order to prepare myself, just as I read The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe the night before I saw that movie. _________________ 
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:39 am
no opinion after reading this. except the studio is going to be laughing all the way to the bank on this one because in show biz there is no such thing as bad publicity |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:06 am
tahruh wrote: God, if I have to die you will have to die.
Isaac made me do it.  lolz i love you. _________________ 
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:11 am
france wrote: Whether you'd like to believe it or not, the author is an atheist advocate. He wrote this book as a counter to books like the Chronicles of Narnia and The Lord of the Rings, books that promote a triumph of good over evil, with his trilogy which denounces God and religion. I'm pretty sure his books are also about the triumph of good over evil. It's really about perspective, isn't it? Based on the previews alone, I probably wouldn't have gone to see the movie. I mean, it looks good, but I don't go to see movies that often and this didn't feel like a theater trip to me. Then I saw a news article about Catholics denouncing the movie, and started reading more about it. When I found out that its deeper message was the exact opposite of The Chronicles of Narnia (which I actually like on a non-theological level), I knew I had to see it. I'm going to see it tonight with some co-workers; we're all excited. |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:12 am
france wrote: kLafied wrote: " "In the books the Magisterium is a version of the Catholic Church gone wildly astray from its roots," Weitz wrote in the British Daily Telegraph.
But "if that's what you want in the film, you'll be disappointed," he warned. " (Weitz is the director.) Whether you'd like to believe it or not, the author is an atheist advocate. He wrote this book as a counter to books like the Chronicles of Narnia and The Lord of the Rings, books that promote a triumph of good over evil, with his trilogy which denounces God and religion. Read what you want, watch what you want and give money to whom ever you want, just don't be misinformed about his "intentions," or whatever spin the media is trying to put on it. The movie had to be cut and redone several times, which in turn did a fairly good job of hiding the overall message. Do you see the gain in this? Unsuspecting parents take their children to see an animated movie over Christmas break, they don't know the actual story behind the book and don't understand the hidden message and to promote reading, buy the book for their children for Christmas, which in turn leaves their children reading a book about killing God and keeps spreading that good ol' message of hate and anarchism all at the same time. It's all about the agenda and the dollar signs at the end anyway. And stop going on about this thread "not being on topic." It is on topic because it's discussing the author, the message and the meaning behind the.....BOOK. Just because it's something you don't want to hear or you don't agree with doesn't mean it's not allowed to be said and or discussed. Jeeeez. god i hope thats what happens. we need more Atheists. also, Anarchism and Atheism are two separate things. fyi. but of course when Chronicles of Narnia came out there wasn't a discussion about how the movie corrupted the children into becoming Christian. why? because you people are close-minded. i haven't really responded to this thread because i thought it pointless arguing over something thats going to happen anyways. go enlighten yourselves and read The Origin of Species or something. _________________
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:25 am
Lantz wrote: france wrote: kLafied wrote: " "In the books the Magisterium is a version of the Catholic Church gone wildly astray from its roots," Weitz wrote in the British Daily Telegraph.
But "if that's what you want in the film, you'll be disappointed," he warned. " (Weitz is the director.) Whether you'd like to believe it or not, the author is an atheist advocate. He wrote this book as a counter to books like the Chronicles of Narnia and The Lord of the Rings, books that promote a triumph of good over evil, with his trilogy which denounces God and religion. Read what you want, watch what you want and give money to whom ever you want, just don't be misinformed about his "intentions," or whatever spin the media is trying to put on it. The movie had to be cut and redone several times, which in turn did a fairly good job of hiding the overall message. Do you see the gain in this? Unsuspecting parents take their children to see an animated movie over Christmas break, they don't know the actual story behind the book and don't understand the hidden message and to promote reading, buy the book for their children for Christmas, which in turn leaves their children reading a book about killing God and keeps spreading that good ol' message of hate and anarchism all at the same time. It's all about the agenda and the dollar signs at the end anyway. And stop going on about this thread "not being on topic." It is on topic because it's discussing the author, the message and the meaning behind the.....BOOK. Just because it's something you don't want to hear or you don't agree with doesn't mean it's not allowed to be said and or discussed. Jeeeez. god i hope thats what happens. we need more Atheists. also, Anarchism and Atheism are two separate things. fyi. but of course when Chronicles of Narnia came out there wasn't a discussion about how the movie corrupted the children into becoming Christian. why? because you people are close-minded. i haven't really responded to this thread because i thought it pointless arguing over something thats going to happen anyways. go enlighten yourselves and read The Origin of Species or something. To be fair, "tolerant" Atheists made just as big a stink about things like the Pledge of Allegiance, and the Ten Commandments monuments outside of particular courthouses. To sum up, all people are foolish, and anyone can be just as close-minded as the next. _________________ Audioscrobbler Now
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:33 am
Paranoid Android v2.0 wrote: To be fair, "tolerant" Atheists made just as big a stink about things like the Pledge of Allegiance, and the Ten Commandments monuments outside of particular courthouses. To sum up, all people are foolish, and anyone can be just as close-minded as the next. That might be true, but the Pledge of Allegiance is a bit more practical to argue over than a silly movie... I understand the point you were making though. _________________ www.kailahandler.bandcamp.com |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:35 am
Paranoid Android v2.0 wrote: To be fair, "tolerant" Atheists made just as big a stink about things like the Pledge of Allegiance, and the Ten Commandments monuments outside of particular courthouses. But those are two instances of completely out of place intrusions of religion into government. The "under God" part of the pledge was added on many years after it was written to distinguish us from the "godless Communists." I find this particularly amusing since mysticism is at least as common in Russia as it is here. The Ten Commandments are totally inappropriate anywhere near a courthouse. The Court is supposed to be a place of even-handed and reasoned justice. Only a couple of the Commandments are even applicable to secular law. The rest are all completely outside our modern legal system. In short, people should protest against their placement. Justice should have a blindfold around her eyes, not a cross around her neck. |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:21 am
I agree with Lantz. If a movie is TOO Christian then no one can criticize it, but Christians can criticize Harry Pottery for conversion to Wicca and Golden Compass for encouraging atheism. Anyways, I'm going to write my first article for an English magazine published in Rome and it will be about this controversy. I'll post it here next week  (wednesday is the deadline). _________________ http://www.eisley-italia.tk ! "Δῶς μοι πᾶ στῶ καὶ τὰν γᾶν κινάσω" 
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:30 am
keltica wrote: I agree with Lantz. If a movie is TOO Christian then no one can criticize it, but Christians can criticize Harry Pottery for conversion to Wicca and Golden Compass for encouraging atheism.
Anyways, I'm going to write my first article for an English magazine published in Rome and it will be about this controversy. I'll post it here next week (wednesday is the deadline).people can criticize it, it's just that the majority of people in North America call themselves Christian, so obviously the Christian voice would be heard louder than the others. Not to mention killing God would be seen as a bad thing in most religions, and not just Christianity. _________________ chinese food makes me sick |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:35 am
jack_stripes wrote: keltica wrote: I agree with Lantz. If a movie is TOO Christian then no one can criticize it, but Christians can criticize Harry Pottery for conversion to Wicca and Golden Compass for encouraging atheism.
Anyways, I'm going to write my first article for an English magazine published in Rome and it will be about this controversy. I'll post it here next week (wednesday is the deadline).people can criticize it, it's just that the majority of people in North America call themselves Christian, so obviously the Christian voice would be heard louder than the others. Not to mention killing God would be seen as a bad thing in most religions, and not just Christianity. i couldnt disagree with these two statements more. it seems to me that anything christian is overtly criticized or made fun of. yet you dont hear the same words being said of things islamic or buddist or hinduist. it seems to me that the brunt of all hatred, anger and resentment is pushed towards christianity. if people did to islamic people what they did to christian people, the aclu would be in an uproar. its mostly christianity that gets all the critisizm _________________ Wil's excellent description of me. wilsmith wrote: You're the Anti-Censorship+Topless Twitpic Parodying+Youth Group Video Directing guy that's a champion for the 1st amendment, Videogames as Art, and unrepentant file sharing... Instagram - Facebook - Twitter - YouTube |
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:40 am
mr pine wrote: jack_stripes wrote: keltica wrote: I agree with Lantz. If a movie is TOO Christian then no one can criticize it, but Christians can criticize Harry Pottery for conversion to Wicca and Golden Compass for encouraging atheism.
Anyways, I'm going to write my first article for an English magazine published in Rome and it will be about this controversy. I'll post it here next week (wednesday is the deadline).people can criticize it, it's just that the majority of people in North America call themselves Christian, so obviously the Christian voice would be heard louder than the others. Not to mention killing God would be seen as a bad thing in most religions, and not just Christianity. i couldnt disagree with these two statements more. it seems to me that anything christian is overtly criticized or made fun of. yet you dont hear the same words being said of things islamic or buddist or hinduist. it seems to me that the brunt of all hatred, anger and resentment is pushed towards christianity. if people did to islamic people what they did to christian people, the aclu would be in an uproar. its mostly christianity that gets all the critisizm wow. |
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