|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Author | Message | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
 Post subject: Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:33 am 
mr pine wrote: DRMS_7888 wrote: I don't get why there needs to be such a heavy debate on the scientific origins of man and religion. It has no bearing or control over the legitimacy of religion (unless of course, you take everything in the Bible as literal fact).
I belive it is literal from cover to cover without any mixture of error. If that makes me seem wierd, then, so be it. Hm I've already quoted you once about religion before, I promise I'm not picking on you 
Many Christians see certain scriptures from the Bible only as parables or allegorical, while taking other stories literally (those being mostly from the New Testament or where it describes God's intervention with people). The progression of science has had a huge impact on that only because it gives different answers and seems to contradict the Bible in many cases (i.e. the age of Earth - scientists think billions of years, the Bible I believe and correct me if I'm wrong, doesnt go past 7000). But since we're dealing with religion, a person could easily disagree with science which is their right and faith. But I don't think people who say they are Christian and do not take the Bible literally should be viewed as any less faithful or religious or what have you. I sound too serious - oye. Anyway, Obama. |
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Joined: 21 May 2008 | Posts: 41 | Location: Mesa, AZ
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
   |
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Post subject: Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:39 am
failtocope wrote: mr pine wrote: DRMS_7888 wrote: I don't get why there needs to be such a heavy debate on the scientific origins of man and religion. It has no bearing or control over the legitimacy of religion (unless of course, you take everything in the Bible as literal fact).
I belive it is literal from cover to cover without any mixture of error. If that makes me seem wierd, then, so be it. Hm I've already quoted you once about religion before, I promise I'm not picking on you
Many Christians see certain scriptures from the Bible only as parables or allegorical, while taking other stories literally (those being mostly from the New Testament or where it describes God's intervention with people). The progression of science has had a huge impact on that only because it gives different answers and seems to contradict the Bible in many cases (i.e. the age of Earth - scientists think billions of years, the Bible I believe and correct me if I'm wrong, doesnt go past 7000). But since we're dealing with religion, a person could easily disagree with science which is their right and faith. But I don't think people who say they are Christian and do not take the Bible literally should be viewed as any less faithful or religious or what have you. I sound too serious - oye. Anyway, Obama. Speaking of "days" during the creation. Many people (myself included) believe that these were not actually 24 hour time periods but just different periods of time. They called their labors the first day, etc. just to distinguish the time spent on each one. I dunno if that made sense. It does in my head. I believe the bible to be correct and literal. Of course, I do also recognize that it's been retranslated dozens of times throughout history and so there are minor errors and interpolations of man. And @ Kulvir, just because someone recognized a good Democratic president doesn't mean that they can't support a Republican candidate. People get too caught up in political parties. _________________ patrock wrote: Grandma: What are you thankful for?
Me: My fake husband. |
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Joined: 28 Apr 2005 | Posts: 3505 | Location: In your dreams
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Post subject: Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:54 am
failtocope wrote: Hm I've already quoted you once about religion before, I promise I'm not picking on you
Yeah you are 
failtocope wrote: Many Christians see certain scriptures from the Bible only as parables or allegorical, while taking other stories literally (those being mostly from the New Testament or where it describes God's intervention with people). The progression of science has had a huge impact on that only because it gives different answers and seems to contradict the Bible in many cases (i.e. the age of Earth - scientists think billions of years, the Bible I believe and correct me if I'm wrong, doesnt go past 7000). But since we're dealing with religion, a person could easily disagree with science which is their right and faith. But I don't think people who say they are Christian and do not take the Bible literally should be viewed as any less faithful or religious or what have you. I sound too serious - oye. Anyway, Obama. I understand that. And I do not view them as less faithful at all. I still think they are saved, I just think they are missing the point. and are not experienceing all that they should. And to nightmare, I do believe in 6 literal 24 hour days. I do think the earth is no more than 10,000 (7,000 is closer) years old. I will not discuss it in this thread (start another if you want) but some of the "evidence" like carbon dating, is bunk. and those years they put on there prooves nothing. _________________ Wil's excellent description of me. wilsmith wrote: You're the Anti-Censorship+Topless Twitpic Parodying+Youth Group Video Directing guy that's a champion for the 1st amendment, Videogames as Art, and unrepentant file sharing... Instagram - Facebook - Twitter - YouTube |
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Joined: 09 Aug 2004 | Posts: 4838 | Location: illinois
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 |
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Post subject: Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:04 pm
*shakes head* |
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Joined: 12 Jun 2005 | Posts: 20735 |
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Post subject: Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:04 pm
Nightmare wrote: sebas wrote: My opinion is the only one that matters, silly. 
People don't debate this stuff out in the open all the time. And when it does pop up, well...it's a lot easier getting ganged up on on a forum than in person where you'll probably not get to say very much. Listening to somebody's opinion who has been exposed to different views frequently, is more worthwhile to listen to than to some guy who has lived in one town his whole life. But maybe that's just me. And like I said, I have no problem being "mean" and not getting along with someone, when that person does not fully understand both perspectives. I guess that's where the anonomynity of the internet kills you. Because I've lived all over the United States on both the east and west coasts, in small towns and downtown apartments. I've lived in rich areas, at one time I lived next door to a drug house. I've lived all over. I've visited other countries. I've spent two years as a missionary for my church exposed entirely to the spanish culture, mostly the Puerto Ricans. My girlfriend is from Northern Ireland, her father is British. One of my good acquaintances was a hitman for a Southern California gang. A great friend of mine has an eight car garage. I've seen a little bit. Don't make ignorant assumptions that you're better and more cultured than people you know nothing about. Oh man... Spanish culture...Puerto Ricans? As a missionary? Yea, that'll get you tons of culture.  By the way, Spanish culture = SPANISH culture, a.k.a Spain. I'll assume you meant Latino culture, and Puerto Rico is probably not the best source for that. Living around the U.S does not strictly expose you to other viewpoints and religions/ideologies, I'm talking about the WORLD here, not your irrelevant relations with people.
You have to live in or be directly related to a country/region to completely understand the people that inhabit the place, there's no other feasible way, sorry. Like I said, not everybody has that opportunity. Fine, just don't call me ignorant for telling somebody they're foolish for being against gay marriage, which might as well be saying gays are inferior to the rest of the human species. For me, it all comes down to where you draw the line. For example: If a bunch of people are going to tell me black people are inferior to whites. I'm probably going to assume they're a lovely bunch of completely bigoted pricks. If somebody says gays can't marry, same thing. Discrimination is completely (in my eyes) unacceptable in any way. I don't care what religion you practice, it's wrong and any major (modern) cultural basis will agree with that. As for being "better than you" for having the opportunity to be as exposed as I have. Well, I'm not that big of a douchebag and I would never state to be above someone else because of it. _________________ "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated" -Mahatma, Gandhi |
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Joined: 02 Apr 2008 | Posts: 644 | Location: Austin, TX
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Post subject: Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:10 pm
mr pine wrote: failtocope wrote: Hm I've already quoted you once about religion before, I promise I'm not picking on you
Yeah you are
failtocope wrote: Many Christians see certain scriptures from the Bible only as parables or allegorical, while taking other stories literally (those being mostly from the New Testament or where it describes God's intervention with people). The progression of science has had a huge impact on that only because it gives different answers and seems to contradict the Bible in many cases (i.e. the age of Earth - scientists think billions of years, the Bible I believe and correct me if I'm wrong, doesnt go past 7000). But since we're dealing with religion, a person could easily disagree with science which is their right and faith. But I don't think people who say they are Christian and do not take the Bible literally should be viewed as any less faithful or religious or what have you. I sound too serious - oye. Anyway, Obama. I understand that. And I do not view them as less faithful at all. I still think they are saved, I just think they are missing the point. and are not experienceing all that they should. And to nightmare, I do believe in 6 literal 24 hour days. I do think the earth is no more than 10,000 (7,000 is closer) years old. I will not discuss it in this thread (start another if you want) but some of the "evidence" like carbon dating, is bunk. and those years they put on there prooves nothing. once again, i completely agree. _________________ cynlovescandy wrote: kulvir wrote: I bet R. Kelly approves of peeing in the shower. The world is R. Kelly's shower. It's a golden world. Nowhere Man wrote: mr pine wrote: is there a difference between dubstep and techno?
you know besides the name? techno: uhnd chik uhnd chik uhnd chik uhnd chik dubstep: BOOM Chik.. Boom Boom Boom Chik.. PEOOOWWwwww BOOM BOWowoWOWoWOWow zipzipzipzipzipwoowooowoow EEEEEeeeeeerrr BOOM BOOM BOOM Splat! |
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Joined: 02 Mar 2006 | Posts: 2522 | Location: Kansas
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 |
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Post subject: Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:34 pm
Pantheon4 wrote: THE TRUTH!
Black people think that everything is racist. White people don't think anything is racist. Not really, that's stupid! ;White people suck. They can't do anything good. They are bringing about the destruction of the earth.; Only a dumb white person wouldn't see that as racist....I'm a white Hispanic BTW. Not my real view, just an example  Peace; _________________ Kneel before your god Babylon! "I don't wanna touch you and feel so helpless; I don't wanna smell you and lose my senses" Rufus Wainwright, Foolish Love |
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Joined: 28 Dec 2007 | Posts: 807 | Location: Wouldn't you like to know?
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Post subject: Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:52 pm
mr pine wrote: DRMS_7888 wrote: I don't get why there needs to be such a heavy debate on the scientific origins of man and religion. It has no bearing or control over the legitimacy of religion (unless of course, you take everything in the Bible as literal fact).
I don't understand how one can claim to be Christian and not take the Bible as literal fact. I belive it is literal from cover to cover without any mixture of error. If that makes me seem wierd, then, so be it. You drink the literal blood of Christ every time you commune? _________________ EisleyForever wrote: you're A-list in my heart! MAKECOLDPLAYHISTORY |
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Joined: 20 Feb 2005 | Posts: 8868 | Location: Saturn, the Bringer of Old Age
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 |
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Post subject: Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:12 pm
chasd00 wrote: Nightmare wrote: mr pine wrote: i am a registered democrat, and i normally look at names instead of party affiliation, but I ended up voting all republican except for the county coroner and for state senate, they were both democrats. Yeah looking at the names and personal views is much more important than just voting for your party. I'm fairly moderate but a registered republican and there are definitely people I don't vote for who are republicans. Off topic, but in WA the republican running for governer (Dino Rossi) put that he preffered the GOP party instead of republican just so people would take a look at his personal views instead of the knee jerk reaction "bush sucks don't vote republican." do you get anything by registering for a specific party? AND 08AMA 1S PWN1NG S0 F@R GU1Z!!11!1~  _________________ Albert Camus wrote: Always go too far, because that's where you'll find the truth. |
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Joined: 04 May 2007 | Posts: 3862 |
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Post subject: Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:18 pm
Oh My...Goodness! They said this election has brought a lot of things to the surface. I got into a very labored discussion over email because Abortion's role in this campaign was brought up... Okay, for kicks, I was an Anthropology major and a Christian, and managed to find a happy medium. Sagan made a point in Contact that both Science and Religion rely on Faith exclusively to forward their positions. Gravity has never been observed, only it's effects. Atoms, protons and Neutrons, quarks and the like have all never been directly observed in nature. Why is it Newton and Einstein could believe in God, forward some of the most revolutionary scientific notions we have come across and put to use, but less accomplished people on both sides struggle to dominate each other intellectual will little to stand on beyond conviction and speculation? Believing the Book (that's literally what the Bible is, The Book, so important it has the very noun itself for a name) is a Christian anchor, but we are on translations 3 times removed, and it was revealed to the writers who were Men, and if God is omnipotent isn't it possible he couldn't communication certain ideas to those men literally because the concepts were absolutely foreign to them? How many more words do we have for things that occur in nature that the didn't have then, how much larger are figures we deal with... Billions and Trillions. If God knew then, and communicated it to individuals who had to communicate with limited vocabulary to a population with potentially less understanding of language... Oh skip it. Let's just say, to presume we know anything concretely on either end is presumptuous and the only way to find out if we're right is a one way trip, so until then we all, no matter what we believe have to just assume we're right, or clueless, and act on that in the best faith we can muster? That said, I know a lot of people who feel the election is rigged and the individuals with the power and interest to do such a think will not let anything other than their intended result transpire. Sounds crazy, but it's a crazy world. We'll see, being out there today made me think people interested in the social well being of individual Americans living at or below middle class, and not the corporate definition of success were believing in democracy for the first time in 8 years. For 8 years that's been about half the country that lost faith in the electoral process. To have that back for one day is an awesome day. If it only lasts that long, it's a shame. _________________ yup, that's my name. FOR YOUR RATING PLEASURE: 4 LIKE Buttons, 1 NEUTRAL, 1 VEXED, 5 DISLIKE buttons. LC > FB        
= personal fave  = Eisley fans should dig it
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Joined: 09 Apr 2008 | Posts: 9654 | Location: Greater St. Louis Area
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Post subject: Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:30 pm
Wow. It would take me two weeks just to weed through the mess on this thread. I voted Obama/Biden. _________________ Jamie (the female version) |
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Joined: 09 Dec 2003 | Posts: 2528 | Location: Austin, TX
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Post subject: Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:33 pm
DRMS_7888 wrote: mr pine wrote: DRMS_7888 wrote: I don't get why there needs to be such a heavy debate on the scientific origins of man and religion. It has no bearing or control over the legitimacy of religion (unless of course, you take everything in the Bible as literal fact).
I don't understand how one can claim to be Christian and not take the Bible as literal fact. I belive it is literal from cover to cover without any mixture of error. If that makes me seem wierd, then, so be it. You drink the literal blood of Christ every time you commune? ). I can, however, take away its most basic messages. But, I don't claim Christianity hardcore or anything; when asked, I usually say Catholic to make things less complicated, and because I do subscribe to the majority of its ideals, just not all of them; but, I find most modern Catholics feel the same way. _________________ Albert Camus wrote: Always go too far, because that's where you'll find the truth. |
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Joined: 04 May 2007 | Posts: 3862 |
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Post subject: Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:21 pm
DRMS_7888 wrote: mr pine wrote: DRMS_7888 wrote: I don't get why there needs to be such a heavy debate on the scientific origins of man and religion. It has no bearing or control over the legitimacy of religion (unless of course, you take everything in the Bible as literal fact).
I don't understand how one can claim to be Christian and not take the Bible as literal fact. I belive it is literal from cover to cover without any mixture of error. If that makes me seem wierd, then, so be it. You drink the literal blood of Christ every time you commune? First off Catholics do belive that, I am not Catholic, but Catholics literaly believe that, when you drink the wine and eat the bread, that you are drinking His blood and eating His body. That being said, no, I do not think that it is literally the blood and the body of Jesus. It is real easy to tell that when Jesus is speaking in metaphor, and when Jesus is speaking literally. And talking about the bread and the wine it obviously a metaphor. How do I know? well for starters it is bread and wine (or at my church grape juice) not blood and flesh. seams pretty simple right? second off, His reason for us doing this is to remember the sacrafice he made. When we eat the bread we are to remember how Christ's body was broken for us. when we drink the wine we are to remember how His blood was shed for us. Hence, "this is my body, this is my bood." It is obviously metaphor. The point is that we remember the sacrafice, not that we eat His "body" and drink His "blood" _________________ Wil's excellent description of me. wilsmith wrote: You're the Anti-Censorship+Topless Twitpic Parodying+Youth Group Video Directing guy that's a champion for the 1st amendment, Videogames as Art, and unrepentant file sharing... Instagram - Facebook - Twitter - YouTube |
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Joined: 09 Aug 2004 | Posts: 4838 | Location: illinois
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Post subject: Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:38 pm
Obama has Ohio, it's over. _________________ EisleyForever wrote: you're A-list in my heart! MAKECOLDPLAYHISTORY |
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Joined: 20 Feb 2005 | Posts: 8868 | Location: Saturn, the Bringer of Old Age
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Post subject: Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:54 pm
I'm really the only vote for Cynthia Mckinney? Sad. |
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Joined: 30 Oct 2008 | Posts: 6 | Location: Placentia, CA
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 |
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
All times are GMT - 12 Hours
|
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
